I ran a +12 on my 4mil with 15-42 gearing 12 paddle extreem 72 inch rollout and dune raced it and track raced it,ran 4.17s, worked good,i weigh 235.Going to a 558 cheatah and having Stellar build me a +14 arched swinger.I just race mine at the hill on the dunes, so i don't do any tree shots on this bike.I went so long on the swinger because i can't run my wheelie bar at the dunes.