BenBB

Oh hell yeah those spacers look great!! Excellent work man :beer: Yeah the YFZ spindles won't gain you anything without longer shocks, I measured 16-5/8" eye to eye with those spindles and the arms fully extended (they will go a little further but the balljoints are at full bind and I didn't want that). With any luck at all I'll find out how the custom Works do on the arms & spindles this weekend...

Yes the stock YFZ450 tie rods are gonna be at the very limit of their length, on my son's '01 I did like Mullet and got a pair from Noss Machine in billet aluminum, 13-3/8" long. He knows the right length just tell him it's a YFZ450 a-arm swap, and damn they look goood. About $46 shipped for them from Noss. I didn't have to change mine on my '96 because I already had Honda style tie rods & ends for +2 a-arms (from trailtracksand.com, same as the Tusk ones RMA sells). The stock tie rods and ends are already a bit of a weak link so if you ride hard at all I wouldn't trust the stock setup at the limit of it's adjustment... And YES if you get YFZ450 spindles you pretty much hafta get hubs too; the width & spacers are different and without machine work and new bearing spacers your stock Banshee hubs aren't gonna work right on the YFZ spindles.

And Kawi with an 11th and ?? Yokley's not havin' a good season, but damn Chris is!! :thumbsup:

Happy b-day John!!

Sounds normal to me; there's no oil filter and clutch plates do wear...unless there's huge hunks of metal or weird noises like BlazinOne said, I wouldn't be too concerned. I have a magnetic drain plug from Napa or somewhere and there's always fine shavings on it and the oil is slightly discolored (80W90), but I figure it's doing it's job, as long as you change it regularly you oughta be fine.

I do that

That's classic dude, and I'm more than happy to help the cause haha, it's FAST FOOD!!

Nice a-arms Duner440...you build those? What's the advantage of the spacer on the top spindle mount??

Good shit I'm off to see if (*^#$% itunes has it...

^ That's how I had mine too, worked fine. Duner I don't think it'll be easy to convert to piggybacks since it's a different shock body, but it would be worth a call...

Sold 'em, thanks strokerace!

Sold 'em...

Damn John, I could really use that for the front frame reconstruction thing we got goin' on...will it go UPS???

Gonna list these again and then split them up on ebay, but have a pair of '01 hubs with rotors in excellent shape, bearings & seals perfectly fine, previous owner painted them some kinda metallic dark blue but they look pretty good, just a couple chips in the paint. The spindles are off my '96 but I bought them used so no tellin' what year, I ran them for a year no probs, wire wheeled them and shot some blue Krylon on 'em. Looking for $100 shipped complete (both spindles & both hubs/rotors), or $40 shipped for the pair of spindles and $60 shipped for the pair of hubs/rotors...or $20 shipped each spindle and $30 shipped each hub with rotor. Paypal is ok and they are ready to ship, prices include UPS ground to the lower 48, past that it'll prolly cost more.

Gonna list these again and then split them up on ebay, but have a pair of '01 hubs with rotors in excellent shape, bearings & seals perfectly fine, previous owner painted them some kinda metallic dark blue but they look pretty good, just a couple chips in the paint. The spindles are off my '96 but I bought them used so no tellin' what year, I ran them for a year no probs, wire wheeled them and shot some blue Krylon on 'em. Looking for $100 shipped complete (both spindles & both hubs/rotors), or $40 shipped for the pair of spindles and $60 shipped for the pair of hubs/rotors...or $20 shipped each spindle and $30 shipped each hub with rotor. Paypal is ok and they are ready to ship, prices include UPS ground to the lower 48, past that it'll prolly cost more. Open to trades, could use an IMS 5.5 gal tank in blue, I dunno, paddles, a pair of 60 over Wiseco 795s, whatever...

Yes luckily I have one set, in the pictures my red/white Banshee has YFZ450 spindles and hubs, the blue Banshee has Banshee spindles and hubs...I got a pair of spindles for the blue one and found out the hard way that Banshee hubs no workie :: I'm hoping I can sell the Banshee hub/spindle setup to someone looking to upgrade their Blaster to Banshee brakes, and locate a pair of hubs from someone parting out a YFZ (god forbid egay)...

FUCK the hubs are NOT the same. The YFZ450 hub is narrower; same bearings (number/size identical), same seals (number/size identical), same outer seal spacer (looks like the same exact width), but the casting itself isn't as wide (the outboard snout is shorter), the spacer between the bearings appears to be shorter, and both the inner and outer bearings sit closer together in the hub. Godfuckingdammit. The brake rotors look exactly the same, but the YFZ450 also uses a seal spacer on the inboard bearing that the Banshee doesn't and a thrust washer at the inside of the spindle shaft. On a side note Yamaha is using unsealed bearings instead of sealed bearings too (WTF?). It would be way more work than it's worth to have a machine shop bore the hubs to allow the two bearings to sit closer to one another AND to buy a new spacer tube...so be advised if you use YFZ450 spindles you gotta use YFZ450 hubs as well to get the correct distance for the brake caliper to line up on the rotor and for the hub to sit far enough on the shaft to get the spindle nut on. On the upside I do know for certain the front wheel bolt pattern is the same. Sorry for the previous misinformation

Wise guy, eh?

Hell yeah I like 'em :thumbsup:

I'll second that, you NEED longer shocks than the stock Banshee shocks. I put 'em on for grins since I gotta wait on new ones and there was like 1" of travel. Not wueno. At least for much beyond the driveway or front yard (OMG a curb, turn! turn!! :ohmy: ) On a side note ya might PM Meat, he used to have a frame kit for converting j to a...

Still got both of 'em...

Yes Banshee single piston calipers and YFZ450 two piston calipers share the same exact bolt pattern, and the same exact hub/rotor. Use whichever you want, BUT be advised that the mounting bolts correlate to the spindle: Banshee caliper mounting bolts are shorter for the Banshee steel spindles, YFZ450 caliper mounting bolts are longer for the YFZ450 aluminum spindles (the mounting boss is thicker on the 450, thinner on the Banshee). So if you use the longer YFZ450 bolts on a Banshee spindle the ends of the bolts may drag the rotor, if you use shorter Banshee bolts on a YFZ450 spindle there's not gonna be as much thread (which isn't a lot to begin with) into the brake backing plate. Not necessarily, that's what I was showing with the pics; either one will work but YFZ450 spindles will allow the suspension to extend roughly 3" farther than when using Banshee spindles. Lotsa guys have done as Mullet Man has with Banshee spindles with no probs, so far I don't know of anyone using YFZ450 spindles yet but that's the way I'm going (c'mon Works, hurry up with my shocks heh). Offset rims are not directly an issue as far as arms and spindles are concerned, although I haven't tried any less backspacing than stock, which doesn't hit the arms or anything at full lock. Wheel offset is kind of give and take, and to a large extent preference. Wide offsets get you stability with a wider track, but in turn you sacrifice some handling characteristics; like you'll notice the bars get jerked harder and/or more often when you hit rough spots (because the wheel sits further out relative to the spindle pivot points, it increases the leverage of the impact), and you'll likely be putting more stress on the spindles (it took me a long time to break a stock one). Narrow offsets are more or less the opposite...

4 Degrees...

Right on! I'm interested to find out what happens there, keep us posted! When I was shoppin' ebay for YFZ a-arms there was a complete swingarm/axle going cheap and I almost went for it, but it wasn't the round housing style and looked purty beat to hell anyway. I still think it would be worth trying, you know stock YFZ swingarms are gonna go cheap soon, and with '06 and up having a round housing carrier, AND a dual-piston caliper, and being cast aluminum...just a matter of working out the shock mout/link or no link...

Yes '06 I think is when they went to larger diameter tie rods. That's a good thing tho heh, your arms are newer (supposedly the arms themselves haven't changed over the years). I just got my set of rods from Noss and they are sweet :cool: I did the same on the dust caps, although for a cleaner look I did what someone else did (don't remember who posted the pic); stacked the two dust caps on one end and left the other capless. Sand does have a nasty habit of coating every speck of grease it can find, but I would think that as long as you grease the zerks regularly it wouldn't be an issue. Water would be more likely to try to get inside but I'd guess that sand would just coat the grease...either way I'm not real worried about it myself, but I do grease the piss out of mine...