I'm not sure if Quick Sand is still in business. I had a Quick Sand swinger back in the day. Very nice setup, but the owner (Gary) was TERRIBLE after the sale on follow up. It didn't take long to get but the chrome was JUNK, and it took forever to get ahold of him and get it fixed. Once it was fixed, I had some question about A Arms and from that day on I have never been able to get ahold of him. His products are quality but his customer service is not so hot.