here is a stock length swinger that i put a Cotton Eyed Joe roundhouse carrier conversion kit on. for 215 bucks you can get the round tube, pinch tubes, carrier, bolts, brake plate and all that. what you do it trim and then weld. its a pretty simple process that takes me about 45 mins to complete from start to finish now. i dont even pull the swinger from the bike. ive done 2 now and they hold up very very well. instead of spendin 5 to 700 for an aftermarket one this is a sweet deal if you can cut and weld.