Shearer or sniper pipes

[dajogejr]

 

I dont why they are busting your balls windy. You're right.

 

I can tell you why J...

 

Because he talks like he knows his shit...and he doesn't. He's trying to talk like a big man, yet his big accomplishments at the HQ ride were beating a 4 mil OEM cylinder with his 10 mil cub.

He didn't mention getting his ass beat all day long by a YFZ450. All day long.

 

All he does is run his mouth about dyno this, dyno that. Yet he has no real world performance pedigree.

 

J...that's the equivalent of me owning a stock banshee and telling you how fast your bike(s) should be, how to mod them...and that I'm the dyno man.

 

Sorry, in my world you talk the talk and walk the walk. I've done it.

He hasn't even gotten past the crawl stage.

 

So I hear his rants, over and over...on and on...and he hasn't done shit.

 

J...you have raced against my old bike...and granted it was 4 years ago...but you know first hand it was a runner.

 

So I say again...this man that talks like he's setting the world on fire, dyno this, dyno that...what has he done? Barely lit a match.

 

And if he was such good buddies with Jeff Neibarger...(And I may have misspelled his last name, that's how I have it in my phone) he'd know he's on his third go around with trying to get pipes to fit for his build from Shearer.

You asked for a comment from the fit and finish cheer leaders. There you go.

 

How you like them apples, bitch?

[lms1977]

I think all anyone wants to see is a few good dyno graphs from a passion build with snipers on it ?? right guys

 

so far by the info posted they just dont stack up IMO

 

some will say they fit better bla bla bla well I have yet to see with my eyes and with all my buddies where they dont fit..

 

so in the end it sure sounds like if you have shearer build the motor and run his pipes you would be faster , and have a motor with a great curve and power everywhere.!! oh and yea it will also have over rev

 

also why are the dyno runs I saw on youtube with passion motors like 3 sec long pulls are you in the wrong gear or is there no load on the dyno all the others seem to be a lot longer pulls?

[trickedcarbine]

Just threw a 421cc Serval in my bike tonight for the small CC class at the National hillclimb.. Also put on some Rockets.. Man, these fucking things fit awesome. How is it that a guy with little to no experience can get shit right the first time.. Compare the stinger tube set up to Shearer or anything else for that matter. There is no comparison. Rockets trump them in every way. Everything fits perfectly with no rubbing.

 

Let the hating begin!

 

 

 

Rockets give me a boner! Need to nitro plate or chrome mine. The way they come on is like a turbo charged car. Lotta builders don't like them, but I feel if they had the time to diddle with them they could really have a great overall package. Seems like they have a weird flat spot on pump gas motors. My set up seems to have enough timing and compression to make it feel non existent. Even on the old motor in my sig you didnt even see it on the dyno or feel it on the track. Years ago 50/60 HP trail motors were tits. Now guys want 80! So there needs to be some extreme change in pipe availability for us. Whether it be shearer steps it up in quality, or Jim and Gary manage to get the price down and availability on the snipers. I really don't care. We need more in frame options for the new level of motors we are seeing.

 

My take on the pipes. The sniper was advertised for the ye ol' 421 cub. It was advertised as 10 HP over the cub, bit of an embellishment........ So for the motor they were truly designed for, they are performing close to the shearer According to any of the valid info. What it comes down to is Shearers perform great and fit like a sumo wrestler in a new fiat. Snipers perform good to excellent, yet actually fucking fit. Take your pic, it's your dollar fellas. I will keep my gay ass rockets

 

 

So griff was nice enough to loan ya his motor? That mean he is puttsing around the trails on a redline 10 mil?

[BB3]

GRR's FTW.....just sayin

[dajogejr]

GRR's FTW.....just sayin

 

My DG pipes are better than your GRR. One, because they have the best initials out of all the pipes... Two, because they dyno the best.

 

[BB3]

My DG pipes are better than your GRR. One, because they have the best initials out of all the pipes... Two, because they dyno the best.

 

DG= Dirty Gobber?

 

PROVE IT......lol

[WINDYCITYJOHN400]

I can tell you why J...

 

Because he talks like he knows his shit...and he doesn't. He's trying to talk like a big man, yet his big accomplishments at the HQ ride were beating a 4 mil OEM cylinder with his 10 mil cub.

He didn't mention getting his ass beat all day long by a YFZ450. All day long.

 

All he does is run his mouth about dyno this, dyno that. Yet he has no real world performance pedigree.

 

J...that's the equivalent of me owning a stock banshee and telling you how fast your bike(s) should be, how to mod them...and that I'm the dyno man.

 

Sorry, in my world you talk the talk and walk the walk. I've done it.

He hasn't even gotten past the crawl stage.

 

So I hear his rants, over and over...on and on...and he hasn't done shit.

 

J...you have raced against my old bike...and granted it was 4 years ago...but you know first hand it was a runner.

 

So I say again...this man that talks like he's setting the world on fire, dyno this, dyno that...what has he done? Barely lit a match.

 

And if he was such good buddies with Jeff Neibarger...(And I may have misspelled his last name, that's how I have it in my phone) he'd know he's on his third go around with trying to get pipes to fit for his build from Shearer.

You asked for a comment from the fit and finish cheer leaders. There you go.

 

How you like them apples, bitch?

 

 

Here's an idea, why don't you get off your ass and come to one of the rides. You don't have a clue what your talking about.

4 mill OEM cylinder bikes???? The only YFZ450 that was beating me was a fully dragged bike that makes 70+HP on motor and has another 30 worth of nitros. (all info provided directly to me by the owner)

 

For the millionth time. "I'M RACING A DUNE BIKE ON 110 RACE GAS AGAINST ALL THOSE LIGHT DRAG ALKY BIKES!" Can't you get that thru your thick skull? I'm not going to be a top dog contender out there. The goal is to lay down some impressive runs with a gas bike that is not totally dragged out. I'm doing that. I'm not claiming "I'm the best and smartest guy out there." I'm not talking like I'm setting the world on fire.

You just think that everyone has to pass you on the track to be able to talk. Here is a news flash for you.......the reason people don't understand why your busting my balls, is because I'm not claiming to be faster than you. I'm not claiming to be anything more than I am. I'm a guy who rides the dunes. Your not. Your a drag racer. I test all kinds of parts and combos on a dyno. You test a few different parts and combos on the track. I'm sure that your track testing has provided you with plenty of info about what works on the track. My dyno testing tells me why it works.

You posed a question a while back about reeds as some kind of knowledge challenge. You wanted me to list what reeds made more power and by how much. Well just for kicks....why don't you tell everyone the answers to that question? You have bashed dyno testing as useless.....yet you seem to value dyno numbers when it suits you. I've privately seen Sniper dyno runs for over a year and was publicly predicting the lack of performance that we are now seeing posted by Sniper owners. (That doesn't make me the smartest guy in the world....but it shows that some smart people are willing to share with me what they know.)

I'm willing to share the knowledge that I gain with the members of this site. THAT is valuable to a lot of people.

Most members of this site don't own a motor that makes triple digits HP wise.

Most never will. Even less are doing it on gas. The information I'm sharing is for people who want to make choices one time. Not buy 3-4 different parts and try to test them to see what will happen.

My testing and willingness to share that info is why people look at posts like this. They want good info from knowledgeable people about the products they have to choose from.

 

You want to keep talking about fitment? Here's a little tip. "If you buy some NEW Shearer pipes and they don't fit on your bike.....send them back right away for a full refund." (You can do that you know.)

But if you find that they don't fit for some reason, yet you still want to run them with every fiber of your being (because you KNOW they are THE BEST PERFORMING PIPE) Then deal with the fitment.

Shit, Tyler has a Banshee motor mounted in a hybrid honda frame...yet he talks about having to mod a pipe like it's the most traumatic thing that he's ever been through.

If you want to run a BB pipe on a 10 mill even though Matt says the SB will perform better...then don't get upset when it doesn't fit. The funniest part of all of this is that the guys who are the most upset with the fitment and bitch about it the hardest....(Loco, fouleduout421, etc.).... still haven't bought a single set of Snipers and somehow HAVE Shearers mounted on their bikes.

Form follows function obviously. (What does DaJagOff jr's avitar say?) Truth hurts.

 

Take a look......quite a few of you are actually posting questions about the performance of the Snipers now. (Don't let these loud school bus bullies silence your concerns)

Redline, Matt, M+M, and a few others have some dyno runs in the dyno section on this site and others that will make you question the Passion/Sniper performance even more.

Edited August 1, 2012 by WINDYCITYJOHN400

[dajogejr]

So...Johndeere's bike you wanted to keep out in front of wasn't an OEM cylinder bike? You call beating a stock cylinder OEM an impressive gas run? uh...no.

You can't beat a YFZ with a 30 shot? Pathetic. Even with 70 HP and a 30 shot? Like I said...pathetic joe racer.

 

John, all you do is twist dyno runs to suit your pathetic cause, JIm already called you out on it.

You don't comment on my statement about fitting wrong a 3rd time on Jeff's bike... Shearer won't refund his money.

 

What about my pipes that split at the seam 3 years in a row. Not a duner bike. On a flat drag bike. Mounted per Mat's suggestion.

After the second time, Mat said he's replace them if they split again. The very next year, when they split...he said no...he can't replace them.

 

That is not second hand knowledge. That is right from this horse's mouth. My pipes. My bike. My 100% personal experience. No refund offered.

Mat did pick up the tab to ship them to him the second time... First one was on my dime.

 

Funny how you claim to be a dune rider, yet on the HQ ride you didn't leave the strip from at least 2PM to 7PM. Didn't leave. Witnessed.

 

Please enlighten us on exactly how your dyno runs give you any kind of information at the dunes? Because you beat smaller motors?

There's an accomplishment.

 

I have lights and timers that tell me what I need to know. What do you have? Bike lengths with a hand drop start over a non-groomed, non-consistent surface?

Wow...how insightful, duneraider.

 

And for your information, since you don't know the answer obviously... VF2 get 1-3 more HP on the dyno on average vs. VF3. People don't like the VF2 because of screws backing out. Which, a little drop of loctite cures unless they are fubar.

 

Now you can claim to already know that, but I'm calling BS on it...since you had to answer my question with another question.

 

My point, all along, is your knowledge is baseless and therefore useless. Repeating secondhand knowledge is not even CLOSE to repeating knowledge and sharing it.

If that "knowledge" is wrong or off...you're just spreading more false info. But that would never happen...no...of course not.

Some day, that might sink in and you might understand that. Not any time soon I'm sure.

 

And I might head out to the dunes next year...that's all still up in the air. I have too many other priorities in life right now. Family...and they come first.

 

In closing John...you can't pass on reports of things and claim them to be knowledge, or "your" knowledge.

No one wins a trophy for being fastest in the dunes. No one wins a prize for using someone else's dyno all the time and proving it no where.

 

You can craft a nice long rebuttal...but those that race, that really ride...already know how full of shit you are.

 

Laughable at best. Now give it your best shot....

[dajogejr]

DG= Dirty Gobber?

 

PROVE IT......lol

 

That's it, I'm burning your steak this weekend.

 

Guys, I'm not trying to take away from the fun of dune riding... It's an absolute blast, fun...and what this sport is all about.

 

My other point (yes, I know I have many, valid or not is the question...lol) is I've seen a lot of dyno queens and dune kings get awfully disappointed at the track.

Anyone can strap a bike down and hit the gas.

It takes more balls than skill, although both are important, to rip through the dunes.

 

Setup, lights, timers, etc., take more skill and knowledge. If you disagree, so be it.... Different opinions build this sport.

But it works for me, and it's what I believe in. I've had reasonably good success with what I've done in the past, but I realize tomorrow is a new day.

[guns4children]

Man..... almost 40 pages on this thread and you guys still dont see the big picture. It dont matter if your a shearer guy or a sniper guy, ill still be waiting for you at the finish line with my R2s!

[SandmanPNW]

Man..... almost 40 pages on this thread and you guys still dont see the big picture. It dont matter if your a shearer guy or a sniper guy, ill still be waiting for you at the finish line with my R2s!

 

Only thing you will be doing at any finish line is snapping photos.Or buying sneakers. LOL

[locogato11283]

Only thing you will be doing at any finish line is snapping photos.Or buying sneakers. LOL

 

Cheering on the fast guys?

[guns4children]

Cheering on the fast guys?

Keep talking but my r2s come on sooner and make 10 % more power then snipers. The have a 15% tq increase along the entire rev range.

[SuperMex]

Keep talking but my r2s come on sooner and make 10 % more power then snipers. The have a 15% tq increase along the entire rev range.

From what Snipers have shown in these dyno pulls, you might be right! Hahahaha

[banshee332]

J-MADD I have a few question for you? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Dident your 10 mill cub run like in the 3.70's at Planetsand a few years ago? Also this goes with the dyno chart. You said the snipers where right there with the shearers but the shearers ran a Little faster but the snipers pulled more mph but worse 60 ft's. Could you blame that on the snipers producing more lower end tq and hp cuaseing you to spin harder there for your 60's where not as good but your mph was higher? Also you said you could not get a good color on your spark plugs with snipers and they still pretty much ran with the shearers? Wouldent that mean the snipers where still out of tune as well as it making lower dyno number as well?