liveordie72089 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 Ok I owned a Raptor 660 before this and not sure if 2 stroke is different but my banshee has been bored over and it seems as if I hit the gas it has a VERY slow pickup... But once I hit it after like 4 second delay it kicks in and its bad ass... I was just wondering why it hesitates to use that full kick... Or is it just supposed to start laggy??? Quote
locogato11283 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 most banshees have a light switch powerband. they will be kinda sluggish on the bottom end, and then once about 6000 rpm hits, they start running like a bat out of hell.. this can be cured with porting geared towards more the bottom end. pipes, reeds, and different sized domes can also affect this. basically, without spending some money on your bike, youre stuck with the type of power it makes. Quote
blowit Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 Ok I owned a Raptor 660 before this and not sure if 2 stroke is different but my banshee has been bored over and it seems as if I hit the gas it has a VERY slow pickup... But once I hit it after like 4 second delay it kicks in and its bad ass... I was just wondering why it hesitates to use that full kick... Or is it just supposed to start laggy??? Much of the lag can probably tuned out with proper jetting. We typically lower the OEM needle and raise the pilot jet a bit to correct many of the issues. You would have to share your engine and pipe/carb/pipe setup to get you much more than that. You really need a head mod and advanced timing to help put more oomf on the bottom. Brandon Quote
rubberneck Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 Yup what loco said. You are used to riding that 660 like a fuckin tractor. Keep the shee clicked down a gear and keep it wound to the moon you will get used to it. Quote
AKheathen Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 Much of the lag can probably tuned out with proper jetting. We typically lower the OEM needle and raise the pilot jet a bit to correct many of the issues. You would have to share your engine and pipe/carb/pipe setup to get you much more than that. You really need a head mod and advanced timing to help put more oomf on the bottom. Brandon yep, it should snap sooner than that with proper jetting. just have to get used to rappin her out too. Quote
liveordie72089 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Posted January 23, 2009 Haha thanks a lot everyone... I am waiting on the guy to give me the list of mods that he has done to the pipe... As I know right now it has been jetted don't know to what... Toomey T6 Exhaust, Upgraded Carb kit... Just bigger carbs... Not sure how much waiting for a response... And a 5 gallon Gas tank... And He also said its been bored but trying to find the box to see what too... About to take pictures here soon where should I post at??? Just wanna introduce myself... Quote
liveordie72089 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Posted January 23, 2009 Oh and forgot to mention is anyone's throttle really hard to push in??? Compared to all the other bikes that I ride with mine is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to stiff haha... Or is it just as easy to fix as a turn of a bolt??? Quote
blaster2006 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 Oh and forgot to mention is anyone's throttle really hard to push in??? Compared to all the other bikes that I ride with mine is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to stiff haha... Or is it just as easy to fix as a turn of a bolt??? its the same as all other quads in general. if its that hard to push, maybe its rusted and needs some lubing. i think i know what your lag may be, from what your saying, it sounds as if your jetted too lean, and it does not have enough power to pull on bottom end. do a plug check, make sure by the electrode and around it, that its brown/ dark brown. if it looks more white, then you are lean and it explains those problems.... also try to sync your carbs. its very easy, even if you still got the stock airbox, just remove the filter, and look through the airbox holes, and you will see 2 metal walls, from each carb, push the throttle whilst looking at them, and make sure they move up at the same time. Quote
regalrocket Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 I think you have a tuning issue, sounds lean on the bottom end. Its cold out, so if its jetted for warmer weather, then that may be your issue. Pipes make a huge difference where the power is. I have PTR mid range pipes and its got a really nice bottom end power. The selection of parts makes a huge difference. Its not common for people to add stuff and not tune it properly also. Quote
locogato11283 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 yep, it should snap sooner than that with proper jetting. just have to get used to rappin her out too. i disagree. proper jetting is in fact necessary to have a good running bike, but in this case he is going from a raptor to a banshee. raptors are SOHC that produce power from idle all the way on up. banshees are NOT like this. they do lag on the bottom end, plain and simple. he may have a slight jetting issue, but thats not gonna make it run like his raptor. sounds to me like hes describing what every new banshee owner experiences. its not a jetting issue. Quote
BUILDER Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) i disagree. proper jetting is in fact necessary to have a good running bike, but in this case he is going from a raptor to a banshee. raptors are SOHC that produce power from idle all the way on up. banshees are NOT like this. they do lag on the bottom end, plain and simple. he may have a slight jetting issue, but thats not gonna make it run like his raptor. sounds to me like hes describing what every new banshee owner experiences. its not a jetting issue. I would agree with Loco on this one. Most people that have ridden 4 pokes all there life jump on a banshee and think they are a dog till they hit the power band. It is a whole different riding style on a 2 stroke. Like loco said with the right porting and jetting and exhaust you can get a lot of that bottom back and a smoth transition into the power band. As far as your throttle being really stiff if they put bigger carbs on the bike they tend to have stiffer springs you can go in and cut one and a half or two coils off of the carb spring and it will help a little. Edited January 23, 2009 by motor builder Quote
liveordie72089 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Posted January 23, 2009 Thanks a lot... Well I realized that its only first gear that does this... I'm guessing because of how low the rpm is... If I launch the bike it's a different story I'm guessing... Another thing I forgot to mention would be I have the gear for high speed so maybe that makes a difference... Sunday is my riding day so I'm going to change it and see if it makes a big difference... I'll Check the plug tomorrow I think I kinda know the difference Black is to rich and is it purple to lean??? Took pictures today so will be posting up shortly... Oh and my bike doesn't stay idling so you think that could be a problem too??? Just raise it up a hair... Quote
locogato11283 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 i would pull the carbs apart and see what jets you have in it. with a mod list, temperature, and altitude we can get you to where you need to be on jetting. the idling could be one of a couple things. either the pilot is too small or the idle is not set high enough. pulling the carbs apart will tell the whole story. since you just got the bike i recommend pulling it apart and making sure everything is right.. as for the plugs.. brown = rich tan = just right white = lean Quote
fck55mph Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 check the sprocket gearing...when i got my 96 i couldnt figure why i was shifting through the gears so damn fast when my 88 shee wasnt like that. turned out the previous owner had a 12 tooth front and 43 tooth rear!! it was basically geared for climbing walls!! Quote
05Special Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 just takes practice of staying in the powerband and just knowing how to ride :biggrin: you're use to just getting on the throttle nad there being power... now that you have a 2 strokje you gotta find the power.. harness it.. and eat the 4 strokes harness it and eat the 4 strokes... that's got to be one of them best things ive ever heard hahahahah AWESOME Quote
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