Chariot Performance

Thinking of the 7075 material for domes. Without knowing the cast alum designation for the cylinders I am guessing that 7075 may be harder than the cast used but likely not the 6061 t6511 so the .003 or .004 thou the dome sticks out may cause some problems caving in the cylinder wall on very top on some bores. ????

Full length bars of 7075 about $3.00 lb and 6061 t6511 $1.90 lb. Not too bad on 7075 right now

You are correct about the aging but t6 is not stress relieved. The stress relief is noted by the 511 for example after T6 which happens by stretching the material. The last one denotes straightening after stretching. My concern was with using just T6 because of the stress left in the material. I was also incorrect about the use of others of just t6 because it sure seems many of the products are t4 temper or o temper being much softer tempers and a concern in it's own right. I agree 7075 would be the better choice. Maybe with all this discussion we will decide wether it is actually needed.

Just one more set of red and blue left also. We have production planned on these in a month. Getting behind on stuff which I hate to do but happens at times. Thanks for using our parts.

No, the flow to top and bottom is the same. Any change to the kick up on the reed tip is detrimental to flow. Stock had that part right on. The center if anything only directs the flow side to side but we found with thread tests it does not direct it at all it simply lessens the flow. This is a good excahnge of ideas isn't it! Threads like this keep the sport going, carry on mates!

Stock reeds won't work. With the center rib you lose about 5% flow.

We have manufactured a lot of domes but aren't too interested in supplying them right now. With regard to material selection the likely culprit, if indeed material plays a factor, is the T value of the alum. Most use 6061 t6 which isn't stress relieved. The problem with that is when heated and cooled the stress are magnified possibly leading to failures. We as with all our products use 6061 t6511 which is artificially aged and stress relieved by stretching. This material is less susceptible to fatigue cracks as well as much stronger (not so soft).

If you have one of our heads and you have stock studs in your cylinders then it is an easy install.

I don't know about the modquad impellers but there is a big difference in stainless and it's ability to not wear. You must use the correct stainless and the correct temper to avoid wearing. Pro design must use the correct stainless.

That oring should be easy to put on. A trick to installing orings is to be careful not to slide your finger along the oring as you install it in the groove. Doing that stretches the oring almost everytime and the oring ends up wanting out of it's groove. As you press the oring in lift your finger up before moving along the oring.

Don't worry about the extras you don't use them.

No one does used pipes.

Corey Sprock from Sprock Racing sells the triz stuff we make. He is the big three wheeler guy.

Careful now, the vf3's are sacred!!!

Yanko!!! That is a true compliment!!!

Firehead was correct about a refund. He and I figured it out. One of our dealers gave him a refund but with me the dealer treated it as an exchange in which I sent him another head. So now I have heard of a refund of one of our parts. Happy holidays everyone.

I won't have a twist on mine but if you like them or are used to them then just be careful. There is a lot of demand for them in any case. The combo throttle is useful especially on long hauls or drag racing or on manageable terrain.

We have one designed which is superior in many ways to the competition. We have a bearing billet idler gear instead plastic which sticks in theris and wears through quickly causing a lot of slop. We have two ratios available on the same throttle (twist end). We have a billet twist tube instead of plastic. We have a positive stop which won't in any case release on it's own. We have a very positive stop on the throttle tube which won't be sloppy. We as always have great attention to detail. It will be out in about 2 months.

I stated the only information I would be able to give with regard to flow bench testing is cfm flow and flow tests with thread if I had recorded the flow tests we did with threads. I also stated I would not make the mistake of getting into hard data discussions which do not lead anywhere. With regard to refunds I also stated if anyone knows of one then please bring it too my attention. I exchanged 4 heads that had chrome because of the difficulty of people fitting therir domes even though it is a given with chromed parts that some fitting of the assembly may be required. By some fitting I mean sanding .001" off the diameter of the dome. Chrome plating on aluminum is very difficult to control thickness to within .002". I honestly don't remember refunding money for a head but I do remember one person who realized it was the shape of the K&T domes they had which didn't allow fitting to our heads. In either case I am gonna quit responding to this thread because it seems the two of us are a bit stubborn all though we both have been very cordial and polite.

I have read enough on forums to know that whenever you try to give HARD data all you get is criticism about methods used and equipment differences. The only hard data I could give is flow bench testing on the different cages we made. If there was a mathamatical formula to use that would give you the absolute correct configuration then we all would use it and there since the beginning of two strokes would have been no changes is design at all. There is not a pure scientific solution. Science accepts a percentage of unknown in all research or a percentage of failure. Does boyesen which is only has a couple of engineers have all the knowledge about reed cages or does the multitude of engine builders who we all know and have heard of. The builders do because together they have over the years worked with those guys and moto tassinari. Those compaines don't have magic that the rest of us don't. Most ENGINEERING is testing and going back to the drawing board. We don't compensate for the alleged unengineered products we make by giving offers of refunds. The simple fact is that we and many others are confident enough in our products they are willing to try for themselves what may work for their setup. At the end of the day if you want a faster 1/8 mile time on the track and our cage gives it to you over another then what cage is best. The one that gives it to you. If in another bike the competition gives a better time then in that case their cage is the best. For the gentleman that has some concerns about design aspects of our cages then I would like to hear them so I could respond. We have never had a failure of any kind with our cages and reeds on them. We have sold a lot of them and with our refund policy you know we would have heard of problems. I can tell you of many problems with moto cages which are well documented. Not that there is anything wrong with moto cages-there is not. But pushing the envelope causes some problems with them occasionally. I don't understand what kind of data I could give other than cfm or the very simple flow bench test of putting threads in certain areas of the cage and watching how it moves within the cage when attatched to the bench with or without a cylinder. I guess I could have 100 different banshee setups on a dyno to test every case but I already state in all advertisements don't even consider it for anything over 4mils. I don't remember seeing any data from moto or boyesen-none at all. I don't even think they state the cfm's there cages flow. Maybe their million dollar benches don't measure cfm because I have never seen their data. To sum up this rant: 1)All of our products are well engineered even if it takes some changes to current designs. 2)We readily change our products when we see a way to improve 3)We do not make or sell junk-none at all 4)If we made junk then we would have to give all our sales money back which would be a stupid way to conduct business so we have chosen to make quality parts 5)We have made parts for over 8 years and not a single refund except one for a customer you ordered intake for a stock cylinder but had a cheetah 6)If anyone reading this post knows of a single part we ever refunded money for or had to refund money for then please pipe in in this forum 6)We have had very few issues with parts and addressed them very professionally 7)Based on all the above we have earned yes earned the right to be trusted. Trust is circular and once it is shown you can't be trusted then the circle breaks. I am not interested in risking my company by offering any product which is not trustworthy. Thanks to all the guys who do like our products and defend our reputation. I could offer cfm data but simply put that is only part of the equation to the design. Angles and measurements make up the rest. Combinations of the three make the overall design choice. Simply put a stock cage with stock reeds flows the worst. With boysen reeds it flows better. With certain angles changed it flows even better. With certain radius changes it flows even better. With certain up kick angles at the tip of the reed it flows better. With certain widths of the cage at the tip it flows better. With no center support vertically it flows even better (in stock design you may go to far and cause damage to pedals). With certain thicknesses at the tip of the cage it flows even better. With cages built to accept blaster reeds it flows even better. With certain machining paths (mill marks) it flows even better. And if you sprinkle pixie dust on them they work like magic. Have a great holiday season everyone and don't take my rants to seriously cause I understand that even criticism about our parts is acceptable and welcome as long as I as a freedom loving individual am free to respond and we still all remain Banshee HQ buddies.

Your statement is 100% incorrect. We designed, manufactured and flow bench tested over 30 different reed cage designs. Boyesen and Moto are not the only people out there with flow benches. We have a lot of engineering behind our reed cages. Keep in mind that simply the amount of airflow (cfm) through a cage is not the indication of it's applicability for a certain motor or purpose. Do you believe that for example vforce cages are the best choice for 50 different engine configurations? We state clearly which motors our cages are an improvement over moto's. Even saying this, every configuration will respond differently to different cages. Each motor would respond differently to each of the 30 or so different cages we designed and tested. The design of the cage is just as important as port configurations, after all it is in the intake tract. In any case it is not fair to Chariot Performance for you to make this statement. Anyone who tries our cage and does not have the improvement or like the improvement can return the cages for a full refund. We have sold over 800 cages and have never had one returned to us. I apologize in advance if my reply seems a little bit snippy.

Very fast Banshee for nice grizzly 700banshee Possibly other 4x4 utility

thumb throttle chariot

All the mikuni boots have the oring style flange to help seal. china crap does not

reed cages We make a great set of reed cages. In designing them we literally designed and machined 30 different cages from scratch. A few things we learned was the following. 1)the shape of the cutout is very important 2)the ange of the pedal is very important 3)the more of the center support you can take out the better 4)the angle of the intake face of the cage to the pedal is important 5)the angle on the tip of the cage is very important 6)the lenth of the tip surface which makes contact with the pedal is very important 7)the width of the opening at the top of the cage is very important 8)the ability to match up the intake to the cage is very important 9)smooth transitions in the intake is more important than in the cage itself The single best modification you could do to your cage is move the threaded holes so that you can use blaster reeds on your cage. We didn't learn all this from porting stock cages only but mostly from machining different designed cages and testing them. You can't do to a stock cage what we designed into ours. Granted anything over a 4mm v force provides better performance but ours outdo v force up through a 4mm. If all you need is massive airflow then why in a DM motor for example do you use smaller reed cages for 4mm and under cylinders? My point is just like with porting opening sizes and angles etc make a huge difference in reed cages.