Thanx guys thats what i was lookin for, i have used my 270 win short mag now for 2 seasons, but this new gun has a good feel i was drivin tacks at 200 with it the day i bought it with 55 grain factory core lokt loads, i like small fast rounds, i havnt shot my 22 mag once in the woods since i bought my .17 hmr which quickly became my fav varmint gun cant wait to take her our for turkeys this sat. O yeah ANY centerfire cartirige is legal for whitetail in PA i guess that means u could take a .17 rem out for em lol, but anyways thanx alot guys keep the info on the 22-250 comin, peace :beer: