PIPE INFO / Description

[rjvoight]

Ok, before I get yelled at for posting something that has been posted a hundred times, I just spent an hour going through old threads 'bout this. Most of them were fairly short threads and only partially answered my questions. So please bear with me a little bit on this.

 

First I am running FMF Fatty's now. I have no complaints. The Banshee is a dune machine for me and nothing else. I am a "general" rider. I love hill climbs, I drag race a little, love trail riding and just screamin across the open dunes. I love dropping into steep hills with no run and screaming out.

 

Now question 1: Can someone put into words the difference between Toomey T5 and T6 pipes? Toomey is claiming an 8hp gain in low and mid range power and 5hp gain on top from T5 to T6. This seems like a little bit of a stretch to me. (my source is the add in Rocky Mountain for Toomey TR6 pipes). Does the delivery feel much different between the two pipes?

 

Question 2 : If the claim by Toomey is accurate would the T6 be the best of both worlds? With the 8hp gain on the low to mid would it feel more like the Fatty pipes? And with the additional 5hp on top would it not be as good as the T5 series only better?

 

Finally, what does the Hush Kit do to power in the real world? Does it make much of a difference?

 

Two reasons I am asking. 1, I have platinum Fatty's now. They are in great shape but pale in comparison to chrome. I want to replace them purely based on looks.

 

2, I am tired of the noise issue with Law Enforcement. The Fatty's are not bad, especially with the turbine core II silencers, but they are still over the limit for the Oregon Dunes and I just dont want to have to deal with it. The Hush Kit would take care of that problem.

 

Thanks for your time guys,

 

RJV

[Shee-Male]

You have to remember the T6 claimed hp gains are on a stock banshee, when other mods are introduced it drastically changes the outcom, you also have to remember toomey put all there R&D into a couple of pipes for yamaha and they've been doing it a while, but when you talk to the people that have purchased them they'll tell you that they do not respond well to most upgrades or porting.

I have'nt ridin a shee w/t6's but I've ridin a shee w/t5's with near same mods as mine and I find it feels very much the same as the fatty's on my banshee, very peakey it seems to amplifie the power band introduction with lots of power throughout, and I've ridin my buddies shee (with the exact same mods) w/PTR high revs, and I find them very smooth alot like the stock pipes with more power delivery.

Personal preferance- I love my fatty's I'm even gonna slightly modify them to fit my rz engine, and personally If you ask me ...if it aint broke don't fix it, I think for your application there is no drawback to the fatty's

 

As far as the hush kit goes I don't know what kind of hp loss there is?

[rjvoight]

Thanks for the quick reply. My bike is relatively stock...just what I have in the sig. I debated about porting and after riding a ported bike decided against it. Just not right for the type of riding I like to do. I am done with engine mods. With my set up, would the T6 pipes perform worse than the Fattys?

 

RJV

[Shee-Male]

I dought it, you may not even notice much dif.?

But porting...... don't black ball it cause you didn't like 1 bike, there are porting options available for all riding types/styles, and the mods that go along or compliment it make all the differance, who knows who ported the bike you rode or if it was jetted rite or if the whl\ole combination of parts was mismatched , you never know, with a banshee the sky is the limit, mark my words you'll want porting in the future, just make sure its from a reputibale guy!

[wesw]

for the dunes T5 or shearers cause i like them.

 

t5 would be the best choice of the ones you suggested

[rjvoight]

for the dunes    T5  or shearers cause i like them.

 

t5 would be the best choice of the ones you suggested

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Why T5 and not T6? Not trying to be an ass, just want to understand the difference. If you truly gain added HP with the T6 with more top end to boot, why not go with them? I have heard the T5 vs T6 arguments in the past but no one has really explained why one is better than the other or in what conditions one might be better than the other.

 

Thanks again.....

 

RJV

[locogato11283]

Why T5 and not T6?  Not trying to be an ass, just want to understand the difference.  If you truly gain added HP with the T6 with more top end to boot, why not go with them?  I have heard the T5 vs T6 arguments in the past but no one has really explained why one is better than the other or in what conditions one might be better than the other.

 

Thanks again.....

 

RJV

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because t6 were designed for stock port motor. we all know it doesnt take long to get some porting done. the t5s work very well with stock ported motors and ported ones. i would not even consider the t6. i would go straight with the t5 regardless of whether you are ported at this time or not.

[rjvoight]

But porting...... don't black ball it cause you didn't like 1 bike, there are porting options available for all riding types/styles, and the mods that go along or compliment it make all the differance, who knows who ported the bike you rode or if it was jetted rite or if the whl\ole combination of parts was mismatched , you never know, with a banshee the sky is the limit, mark my words you'll want porting in the future, just make sure its from a reputibale guy!

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Good point. I have only ridden one ported bike and it was a kick to ride. It was really an on or off bike though with no middle ground. Not impossible to ride in a group or liesurly ride around the dunes but I had to be on my toes to keep her singing (I have ridden Banshees for 3 years now and grew up on 2-stroke MX bikes, still race an 02 KX250, I know the nature of the bikes and they dont "put"around but the ported bike was a handful). The port job was done by Redline Racing, a reputable builder locally and according to the guy who let me ride his bike it was classified as a dune port.

 

I really like the way my bike runs now. I can run with a lot of bikes, beat a good number of them and still cruise with the family and friends. Like I said initially, its not that I am unhappy with the performance of the bike. I would like a nicer looking set of pipes and the hush kit is appealling. If I get the exact same performance I will be happy . If I get better performance, I will be happier

 

Thanks,

 

RJV

[FIRST BANSHEE]

Thanks for the quick reply.  My bike is relatively stock...just what I have in the sig.  I debated about porting and after riding a ported bike decided against it.  Just not right for the type of riding I like to do.  I am done with engine mods.  With my set up, would the T6 pipes perform worse than the Fattys?

 

RJV

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I had fattys first, and now have t-6s. I like the t-6pipes alot better. they are alot louder than the fmf's,the hush kit quiets it way down ,don't know about power loss.

with bolt on mods the pipes work great,now my engine is ported and I still have no complaints. the pipe looks alot better than the fmf pipe also.

[Wallrat]

I just switched from fattys to t-5's. Unfortunately I also got a mild dune port at the same time. Keeping that in mind, I definately like the t-5's alot better. They come on just a c-hair later than the fatties and they hit a bit harder. My front end kept popping up on me till I got used to the changes. On top they seem to wind out a bit more as well. I'm sure the porting had alot to do with the changes. IMO, I'd go with the T5's without question. Porting is an excellent mod that will tune your machine to the way YOU like to ride it. BTW, toomey/FMF pieces are interchangeable. Technically you could fit the hush kit/silencers onto your fmf's.

[banshee tuner]

You wont be sorry with t5's especially if you decide to port yours later on, I love my t5's and would never trade them unless I decided to go drag only.

[wesw]

You wont be sorry with t5's especially if you decide to port yours later on, I love my t5's and would never trade them unless I decided to go drag only.

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totally agree. if you want pipes buy the ones that will work with future plans. so you dont buy 2 or 3 sets.

 

 

i you plan to go real mean with your motor and porting you might think about a set of cpi or shearers. for the dunes.

 

 

depends on what your budget is and future plans

[rjvoight]

Thanks for the input. Not totally sure yet what I am going to do. Gonna try and sell the FMF pipes first. I posted them here for 250, not including shipping. If they dont go within a couple days I will set them up on ebay. Thanks again guys, anyone else with input let me know. Thanks again.

 

RJV

[Banchetta]

Don't be crazy, the difference between the 2 pipes is so very minimal. Keep the fmf's. They are a very good pipe, especially for your type of riding that your described. The T5's might have a touch more top end, barely noticeable, but you'll lose the bottom end to gain it..remember, when it comes to pipes, you'll lose at one end to gain the other....if you want to get some more all around gains, then save $300 bucks and get a Noss head...You WILL notice a power gain w/ that..