Meat Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 shellbyzfan33... Where have you been... I could have used your help long ago! agreed. I debated with the Bush-heads for the previous 6 pages and EVERYTHING I tried to preach just got spun out of control..... republican style. I just ask everyone to look at this topic with an open mind. Dont make your choice until election day. Guys are sayin' Bush won the debates and I can't beleive that these people can make those claims without the fear of looking like a moron. The polls show Kerry won all three debates. I can't beleive someone said "kerry only won cause he speaks so well". I can't beleive the blinders some people have. I absolultly love what Kerry said about aboriton rights, stem cell research and gay\lesbo issues. He basically said that as a president of this country, he can not make decisions based on what his religion taught him. THANK YOU !!! NOT ALL OF US BELIVE IN YOUR GODS. Its fine with me if the president belives in God, just don't tell me what to do because of your beliefs. When the same questions were posed to Bush.... he preached that he loves god..... did you hear the part where he said "he prays all the time" to "look for direction". He then went on to say that he didnt believe in embreonic(sp) stem cell research because of its morally wrong. HIS FUCKIN' MORALS !!!!!!! WHAT ABOUT MY MORALS AND MILLIONS OF OTHER AMERICANS LIKE ME......... Do you think Michael J Fox feels any better now that he knows what Bush's morals are. Poor Chris Reeves. RIP. Dead and did'nt get his chance because of our government's pushing its morals on us. Nancy Reagan also agrees with Kerry on this issue. f*ck YOU BUSH, Reeves and President Reagan are dead and so are millions of other Americans that just might of had a chance with this new stem cell science. Bush then stammered on and re-directed the question on GAYS AND LESBIANS. "I don't know" he said. He was put on the spot with that question and stood there like a deer in the headlights. You could see the smoke coming out of ears as he tried to think of an answer that wouldnt hurt his campaign, it wasnt a scripted question and he was drawing a blank. He's dumb as a rock and you people want him as your leader !!!?!?? I just don't see what you guys see in G Bush. Iv allready debated the Iraq issue and its pretty clear that Iraq was a big mistake, probably the biggest mistake our country ever made. BIGGEST MISTAKE OUR COUNTRY EVER MADE. The Bush people debated back with the stance that "some WMD's were found but never reported by the media". Well folks...... I haven't debated the WMD issue with ya's since that little ol' WMD report came out last week. HERE'S THE FINAL WORD ON WMD'S....... IRAQ HAD NO WMD'S. Its official now. o-fuckin-ficial. No WMDs. So any and all arguments you had concerning Iraq's WMD's are... it think the word is.... "moot". Fuckin' Moot "darlings" Now let me take a guess to your spin on the WMD report that came out last week. "Uh that report was put together by the freakin' devil worshiping liberals" or maybe you'll say "Kerry flip flopped". Oh I forgot, the term "flip flop" is no longer used by the repubs because during the debates Kerry answered all the flip flop claims thrown at him..... his flip flops were nothing but spin'age. Canadian drugs. Bush was against em cause he "was worried about the quality of the drugs". And you people can believe that. You can look me in the eye and say....... "your mother is paying $100 PER PILL because our president is worried about the quality of Canadian drugs". WTF does he think, Canada is not a third world country..... quality is not the issue here. Bush has no vested interest in supporting companies outside of the United States, he's not worried about mom and pop payin' thier life savings on prescription drugs as much as he's worried about "the quality of canadian drugs". YOU PEOPLE ARE KILLING ME HERE. And one last comment on the question that came up in the second debate where the lady asked Pres Bush if could name three mistakes he made. He couldnt give her a straight answer, he directed her question to "was iraq a mistake" and he stood fast to his claim that Iraq was not a mistake. This my freinds is the glaring warning of a man not fit to run our country. When one can not find fault with himself, when one thinks he's right 100% of the time. If he would dare realize he was wrong on ANY issue that would be seen as flip flopping, so never admit your wrong.......................... even if my high school buddies are dying half way around the world.... even if crippled and diseased people are being forbidden to seek cures based on his religious beliefs.......... even if.....*see Shelbyzfans post were he listed 100 of Bush's mistakes*..... never ever admit your wrong. Makes me sick. NOT PRESIDENTIAL. Quote
Fireman-hott Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 This kind of cut and paste bullshit really pisses me off shellbyzfan, I would have expected much more of you. #1 When you wake up and understand that not every nation is going to agree with everything we do 100% of the time as Kerry seems ot believe than you'll understand why we built up as much as we could than went. Happens in America all the time with our police forces. And HOW FUCKING DARE YOU DO SUCH AS DISSERVICE TO ALL THE MOTHERFUCKING VETS FROM FORIENG COUNTRIES THAT HAVE DIED BY NOT INLUDING THEM. #2 That army was SADDAMS ARMY! Would you trust an army that operated under a dictator you just toppled? Your ignorant if you even consider it. #3 Whoops didn't Kerry vote against that? #4 He went on what was expected to complete the operation. Your always going to have a general thats gonna say you need twice as many troops at would you really do, you have to come to a median. Didn't send enough yet we destroyd them in an insanely quick amount of time? Whatever. #5 You know we couldn't protect those buildings and looting without violating Geneva Convention rules, some asinine rule that I can't quote off the top of my head. #6 THERE WERE WEAPONS THERE. Its been proven bombs have gone off containing nerve agents. Plus in the early days of the war what happened to all those bombs and missles that were found to contain fertilizer. WHO THE f*ck puts fertilizer in warheads? Oh and KERRY IS QUOTED AS SAYING KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW NOW HE STILL WOULD HAVE WENT SO CHEW ON THAT! #7 I think this one has to do with destrying than rebuilding countries. Had to be done 'nuff said. #8 THEY WERE GREATED AS LIBERATORS, ASK THE TROOPS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE. I HAVE ONE FRIEND ON HIS WAY BACK TO IRAQ AND A COWORKER MARINE I JUST GOT DONE TALKING TO NOT 4 HOURS AGO WHO WOULD LOVE TO RIP INTO ANY OF YOU RIGHT NOW THAT ARE DOUBTING WHAT WE ARE DOING AND IS FUCKING SICKENED BY WHAT THE MEDIA IS SPEWING OVER HERE!!!! #9 WHERE IS ALL THE OIL MONEY THEY ARE MAKING GOING TO? #10 EVERY WARS COST IS UNDERESTIMATED. YOU CAN NEVER KNOW GOING INTO A WAR EXACTLY WHATS ITS GOING TO COST. f*ck some people need to use common sense sometimes. #11 Didn't know it was faulty at the time though did we? #12 isn't the Baathist party Saddam Loyalists? Well than you'd be a total fucking moron if you left them to control that shit. #13 Enough time? I'm not even answering this question. #14 Accidents happen, it was put in and knocked out within what? a week? #15 Major operations have ended. Major operations have shit to do with casualty counts. Once again common sense. #16 Haliburton repaid the government what it overcharged. and Besides they are making pennys on the dollar compared to dimes that other companies in thier field are making. This falls back to Money vs Goods, basic economics. DOnt understand? pm me I"ll explain it. #17 Why should they get to reap the rewards of a war that they are SOOOOOOOOOOO against? Thats like someone being against the killing of animals but all about making the money off selling animal fur coats. Once again common sense. I'm stopping there. The baby is finally sleeping I'm getting me a piece of ass. Quote
Meat Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 Oh and KERRY IS QUOTED AS SAYING KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW NOW HE STILL WOULD HAVE WENT SO CHEW ON THAT! Kerry, just like every good american TRUSTED AND BELEIVED in what the President tells us. Bush told us that Iraq had WMD's. When I heard that Iraq had WMD, I was all for invading just like the majority of us. But as the war progressed and facts and truths came out, we "flip flopped".... we looked at the true facts and decided it was way wrong. Your quote was taken out of context. The republicans can take anything someone says and make it sound the way they want it. If you look the whole picture, you'll get the truth. Thats how Kerry confronted the "flip flop" claim in the first debate. Quote
Fireman-hott Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 (edited) Meat go listen to the Flip-flopper clip than come back and tell me he doesn't. Another question than Meat, Why would Saddam put fertilizer in warheads? I was all for invading just like the majority of us Exactly, and Bush trusted his intelligence commitee. Edited October 15, 2004 by Fireman-hott Quote
Brooke Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 the only thing i care to comment on is the stem cell issue, since ive commented on everything else over and over again.. to say 'o poor chris reeve and michael j fox are dead/dying' cause of the president is disgusting. before bush, the researcers got ZERO federal funding for research. bush came and gave funding for existing embryo lines since they had already been destroyed. but have you all forgotten that the same research can be done with embilical cord stem cells?? so why does it matter if he wont fund more embrionic research? and also, he isnt banning the practice, he just isnt allowing FEDERAL funding. they can still do their research with private funding. and to make people think that this research is a cure-all is also unfair, since scientists dont know that yet. its giving false hopes, and you liberals just use it to pull heart strings and turn people against bush. THAT, my friend, is DISGUSTING and LOW. Quote
Meat Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 THEY WERE GREATED AS LIBERATORS, ASK THE TROOPS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE. I HAVE ONE FRIEND ON HIS WAY BACK TO IRAQ AND A COWORKER MARINE I JUST GOT DONE TALKING TO NOT 4 HOURS AGO WHO WOULD LOVE TO RIP INTO ANY OF YOU RIGHT NOW THAT ARE DOUBTING WHAT WE ARE DOING no doubt they liberated Iraq from a Saddam. No one doubts that. Thats not the problem here people...... The problem here is we are fighting a war against the "terrorists". Where is Osama Bin Laden, the leader of Al-Quida ? 16 out of 19 terrorists on the planes that hit the world trade center came from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. Since we liberated Iraq, should be liberate Saudi Arabia, Lebonan, Jordan, UAE, Cuba, Uzbekestan, China, Phillipenes, Liberia, Somolia, Syira, France, NORTH KOREA, IRAN ?? Don't ya think anyone of any of those countries poses just as much threat at Iraq did. Now its officially written in history that Iraq didnt even have any WMD's, and that our sanctions were working just fine and that IRAQ POSED NO IMMINTE DANGER TO ATTACKING THE USA and that Iraq was not involved in any way with the 9\11 tradedy. Go tell your buddy to go rip into the mothers and father in our country who lost sons and daughters in a war that more than half of our country feels was a mistake. Dead is dead my freind. Your not coming back. I respect our troops, its the policy they have to follow that I don't agree with. Bush spins the same thing.... they spin any questions posed towards Iraq as "un-patriotic" and "troop bashing". Sickening that our govt plays these games with our lives. Quote
Blue Duece Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 IRAQ HAD NO WMD'S. Its official now. o-fuckin-ficial. No WMDs. So any and all arguments you had concerning Iraq's WMD's are... it think the word is.... "moot". Fuckin' Moot "darlings" Hilter didnt have WMD's either, whats your point? Quote
Meat Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 and you liberals just use it....... Darling, I prefer to be called an "American" thank you. I don't even know the correct definition of "liberal", Im just a dude, living in America, working 40 hours a week tryin' to speak my views. "American" please. Quote
Brooke Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 and you liberals just use it....... Darling, I prefer to be called an "American" thank you. I don't even know the correct definition of "liberal", Im just a dude, living in America, working 40 hours a week tryin' to speak my views. "American" please. yea ok sorry, MEAT uses it to pull heart strings and turn people against bush. thats DISGUSTING, and your "im a hard working american" ramble is just another effort to pull heart strings. we are all hard working americans, so what. has nothing o do with the spin YOU put on issues. i take joy in the fact that you had no argument against what i actually said about the issue. Quote
Meat Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 Hilter didnt have WMD's either, whats your point? The point is.... We were attacked by Muslim radical terrorists. Iraq was not a threat and there are 10+ other countries that are more of a threat. The report that came out last week made it official that they had no WMDs, the 9\11 commision's report made it official that Iraq had nothing to do with 9\11. So why the hell are we there ?? Why are we spending 87 billion of my tax dollars there ? Why are we allowing 1000+ of our Americans dying a horrible death there ? Why are we allowing thousands more Americans getting thier legs are arms blown off there ? Why have so many civilian Iraq's(humans) died during this war ? WHAT FOR ?? that is my point. damnit if we were fightin the terrorists there would be no issues here !! Quote
Meat Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 (edited) yea ok sorry, MEAT uses it to pull heart strings and turn people against bush. thats DISGUSTING, and your "im a hard working american" ramble is just another effort to pull heart strings. we are all hard working americans, so what. has nothing o do with the spin YOU put on issues. Darling..... I don't give you any labels now do I ??? And if you think im trying to "pull heart strings", I say "your views are DISGUSTING to me." It must be hard trying to defend Bush all the time, is it "gettin' to ya" yet ? I gotta run, its friday night !!! its been fun talkin to yas all. Edited October 15, 2004 by Meat Quote
Brooke Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 yea ok sorry, MEAT uses it to pull heart strings and turn people against bush. thats DISGUSTING, and your "im a hard working american" ramble is just another effort to pull heart strings. we are all hard working americans, so what. has nothing o do with the spin YOU put on issues. Darling..... I don't give you any labels now do I ??? And if you think im trying to "pull heart strings", I say "your views are DISGUSTING to me." It must be hard trying to defend Bush all the time, is it "gettin' to ya" yet ? you can poke at me all you want, you still have no response to the actual issue i spoke of. as far as "defending" bush, i dont see it that way. i stand behind the people i believe in. Quote
rebelbanshee2 Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 im voting for kerry now that edwards said if he was elected everyone in wheelchairs would get out of them and walk...JOHN KERRY IS JESUS!!!! THE MESSIAH HAS COME!!!!! Quote
Blue Duece Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 We were attacked by Muslim radical terrorists. Iraq was not a threat and there are 10+ other countries that are more of a threat. well since ive been born there was Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush all of which have fucked up, do you think Kerry will be any better?.........am I the only fucker on this forum that Quote
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