So Cal Suspension

The bike will be at Dumont for the big ride this weekend if you want to check it out.

Pics or this never happened.

I'm going to be doing a step by step walk through with pictures on the DC conversion and installation of these lights on a stock banshee platform this week up at JL's. I will be mounting a Euro, and a Spot in the stock location.

In Zilla's case, the odds are stacked against him, which is why the nay-sayers have an inordinate amount of ammunition. It's a VERY difficult project for an individual to undertake on a limited budget. Even if he DOES get it to work, there will ALWAYS be something wrong with it, right? I think people are missing the point that this is for a college project, and not reinventing the wheel. I've donated to the project simply because I give someone credit for trying something. I couldn't care less whether it works or doesn't. It won't affect me personally whether it works or not, so I guess that's the reason I never felt the need to jump on one of the bandwagons. Do I personally think it's going to work? Eventually, yes, I do. Do I think it will make more power, and be more reliable than a carburetor setup? No, and no; but I'm also not going to fault the guy for doing something like this for a university project. I seem to think that there's a reason new 4 strokes coming out are going to fuel injection. It's probably not "just because". What the exact reasons are, I don't know. What I DO know, is that on EFI systems with a MAP sensor, and an IAT sensor, barometric pressure and air temperature are automatically detected and the fuel mixture is automatically adjusted to compensate once a baseline is set in the ECU/ECM. Thinking about it logically, I personally see the benefit of a system that automatically adjusts fuel mixture for the appropriate barometric pressure and temperature. You start out at the bottom of a mountain, and ride for 2-3 hours up a trail, climbing 3500-4500 feet. You're not going to stop in the middle of your ride and re-jet, are you? Then stop and re-jet on your way back down the mountain? Seems to me like in a situation such as this, a system that automatically compensates is the best answer. I don't believe a system could be manufactured cost effectively for EVERYONE to be able to buy it, but, if your riding area is a mountain and you have issues with jetting, what else can you do that is automatic that you don't have to constantly think about? Or what about the guys who live/ride in the area mountains in California, Arizona, and Nevada that may ride 50% of the time in their mountain community, but want to jump in the truck one weekend and head to glamis? Gotta re-jet. With an EFI system it would automatically adjust to temperature and elevation. Why anyone would be AGAINST something like this, is bewildering to me. Other than the fact that zilla is kind of a homo and it's easier to play the odds and shit on someone than give them credit for taking it upon themselves to try something that one of us wouldn't undertake ourselves. All (or, mostly all) of us drive fuel injected cars. I wonder why that is? Because, I mean, carburetors work, right? and worked great? Maybe EFI is on cars for emissions purposes... perhaps, but are our heads so far up our asses that we aren't willing to admit that one day emissions regulations WILL trickle down to ATV's? I mean, fuck, they're requiring lawnmowers to pass certain emissions standards. It's going to happen sooner or later.

Yeah, he tried it, and got died.

I'd just pay the 10 bucks, and be done with it, keep the paper with you. There's no reason NOT to, really.

Mother of sweet baby jesus. Let's stop all the nonsensical rambling here. You CAN NOT, I repeat, CAN NOT paint an oversized gas tank and expect it to last. The oversized tanks breathe, and the vapor will destroy the paint. Any paint you put on there regardless of whatever prep you use WILL peel. It's not "just plastic"...

Yeah, anything over 6 months is impoundable, on-road, or off-road. There are like 4 stores in Brawley that sell the Non-Resident permits, though. Hopefully you guys were able to get one and didn't have to leave the bike parked... . I want to say they are like $23 or something for the year. Again, "TECHNICALLY" yes, you are required by law to carry either the original, or the copy of your registration. I know in CA, if we lose the registration, we can either go to the DMV, or AAA and they can print off another copy of it.

Why did anyone continue after this?

I can see how one would get confused with the banshee wiring system if they are accustomed to working on traditional 12v systems. The easiest way to do this, since most of the harness is burned up, is to use all STOCK parts, for the appropriate year/model of your STATOR. There were two different style stators, one had a round plug, one had a square plug. 87-94 is a round plug, 95+ is a square plug. The reason I say find the appropriate year/model wiring harness and parts to match your stator, is all of the color combos will match, then it's just a matter of matching up colors. Check out this thread. One of the members did up a schematic for a "bare bones" harness. Make sure you read everything... http://bansheehq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=77018

Nope, because they never had a license to suspend in the first place. There are exceptions as the quote states. I don't know all of them, but SOME of the exceptions are for certain medical conditions for which your license has been suspended. The goal behind that implementation is to keep "unsafe/stupid" drivers from driving/riding where us and our kids play. If someone was fuckin' stupid enough to get their license suspended on the well maintained and regulated roads, what are they going to do in a "free range" environment with no rules? The same laws apply to boats, PWC, and snow machines.

If you have dual rates, odds are you won't be able to turn it by hand. Triple/quad rates are very easy to turn by hand, since there is almost no preload on the springs anyways. I stock the proper preload tool, so if you can't get it by hand, PM me your address and I'll throw one in the mail to you. I usually have a ton of them, since it's the same tool I ship with King shocks.

Just to clear some things up, because I WAS the law out there for a couple years, YES technically you are required to buy a Non Resident OHV Use Permit, if your state does not require registration. If your state gives you a registration plate, or sticker, you're fine. Regarding Arizona's RV plate, you MUST have an OHV Endorsement sticker on your RV plate now in the ISDRA. If you don't have the OHV endorsement you must purchase a Non Resident OHV Use Permit. Also one thing people don't think about, if your drivers license is suspended or revoked, you are NOT allowed to ride/drive/operate ANYTHING on OR offroad. That includes ATV's. Regarding the Spark Arrestors. TECHNICALLY, yes it's required, however, there is a loophole in the law that prevents the law from being applied at Glamis, Octotillo wells, and pretty much any "desert" riding area in California. Pismo/Oceano is also exempt. If you get a ticket for it, you probably were doing something so ridiculous that you deserve it; BUT, if you do, you can get out of it by showing them their own law:

Not a battery, but you will have to upgrade your stator. Unfortunately, 99% of the aftermarket stators on the market are complete junk, and often don't work right out of the box. You'd be better off leaving your stock stator, and upgrade your lights. I sell 10w LED lights. All you will need to do is a DC Conversion. No battery is needed. The lights are $198 for a pair, shipped. They are 950 MEASURED lumens each. Nearly 3x as bright as your stock lights, and only draw 10 watts of power each. PM me if you want more info.

I'll still kill him.

Yes, Your stock stator can handle ~75 watts on the lighting circuit, MAX... typically that means two 35w headlights, and a 5-10w tail light.

Oh, if you want to do all the glamis sights, yeah, you'll have to drive up to glamis. It will be quite a ways from El Centro. You'll be about an hour, maybe more to GLAMIS. I think people who have never been there before underestimate it's massive size. The imperial Sand Dunes is 40 miles long... Where you are staying is at the very southernmost portion of the ISD. You can't just jump on the sand in Gordon's and expect to make it to Olds and back. You'd need about two, maybe 3 more tanks of fuel. The things you want to see are at the very NORTHERNMOST portions of ISD. Staying in El Centro: Glamis is about an hour, maybe a little longer. Gordons is 35-40 minutes. Just the GREEN portion is 40 miles long. As Ban99 said, the hotel/casino called the Quechan, is a very nice place to stay. Like he said, it's 15 minutes to Gordons, but you'll be about an hour back to El Centro. If I were you, I would stay in El Centro, and drive to the washes for the day see and do what you want to do in Glamis, then drive back to your hotel in El Centro. Also, if you're not going with someone who's been there before, for the love of god bring a GPS and set waypoints. The most important one is where your truck is in case someone gets hurt or lost. Don't underestimate the size of Glamis. People get lost out there all the time. You'll be going during spring break, so there is a good chance there will be a lot of people out there, so I doubt you'll get lost and die. The GPS is also helpful for first-timers, as you can set GPS coordinates for specific things you want to see, ie Olds, comp, flagpole, etc. Also, if you're starting your ride from the washes, comp, olds, and all the other places are more easily accessible. Every-other wash has a bathroom (shit in a concrete tank, type of thing), The glamis store is right there should you feel the need to buy a $12 tube of chapstick, and boardmanville is accessible from wash 10. I'm not sure if you can still get to it by going under wash 10 or not anymore. If you go to gecko, odds are you will not make it from Gecko, to boardmanville and back on one tank of fuel, unless you take sand highway. But that's boring...

If you're going to be in El Centro there are tons of hotels there. The closest place to ride would actually be Gordons, since you'll already be off the 8 (Same sand dunes as glamis, just about 35 miles further south). A week pass is $35 and you can buy one at pretty much any Cycle store in El Centro (There are plenty). Worst case scenario you can buy one at the Ranger station at the entrance to Gordons, or at the Pair-a-Dice Bar/Grill inside the entrance to Gordons. El Centro is a decent sized city... ie, they have a Walmart, and pretty much every chain restaurant there. You'll be about 35-40 minutes from the sand. Like HP said, you will need a flag, and a helmet. That's pretty much all the rules there are... If/when you get stuck, call me, I wouldn't mind coming down to watch you dig out.

^^bullshit.

someone move this to the roostin room, so we can have some good ol fashioned fun.

Thomas, off topic, but where about in San Diego are you? I was going to see if you'd be interested in running a set of my LED lights on your conversion bike once it's complete. I'd like to make some custom mounts to install my 10w LED's where the stock location YFZ450 lights go. Let me know if it's something you'd like to do, and I can work out a deal with you on the lights in exchange for using your bike for measurements and pictures and stuff. Just figured I could help out a fellow HQ member on a unique project, and at the same time get the information I need for my mounts.

This was already posted. http://bansheehq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=152872&pid=1321707&st=0entry1321707

Haha, well, he flew off the handle, so I decided to take it to the next level.