SlowerThanYou

I hope it runs a good as our 443 cub did on race gas, going from asphalt to sand the 1st time out. We'll be flying the Puerto Rico flag as usual.

I'll post up the sand set-up when I get them.

Here's the borrowed bike we are planning on bringing. We haven't decided on the motor yet, it will have our old 443 gas cub motor in it or a 535 on alky. I'm leaning towards the 535 just because I've never ridden one. This bike with the 535 has never been on 300', it runs good in the 1/8 mile. It's 1st runs will be run at MI.

You're welcome! The 18/39 is his baseline gearing to start with. I suggested what he should use, that's track tested. His motor is bigger & will probably need to be fine tuned from my suggestion. I'm sure when he gets to the track we will be able to get things dialed in a little better.

You really need to stay off the sauce, BoyBlunder. If the thread sucks stop asking questions or even continue looking at it. No, but you would rather be a hypocrite. Now, what is it? The motor is at K&T for Dyno time, just like you asked earlier this month. You are one confused little boy, "Curious to see #'s". That was 13 days ago, you flop more than a fish out of water.

The pot calling the kettle black again. Keep on sucking people's mudflower, at least you're good at it.

The motor was dropped off at K&T this morning. They are gone for a week & return back to work on July 29. Randy wanted to have the motor there when he got back, to dyno. We discussed things for awhile to decide a game plan. He's going to baseline the motor the way we last ran it. Then start with putting their pipes on the motor. Supposedly the only difference between our pipes is we have silencers. Then going to test their lectrons on it & maybe a dome change. We have 16.5:1 compression domes on the motor now, but also brought the 14.5:1 domes to test. We have some other minor things to change, but I don't feel like typing anymore dribble. While I don't have a lot of riding time with this motor. I think the problem is no RPM. It seems like the motor goes into over rev somewhere around 8,000-8,500 rpm. Where it should be somewhere around 9,500 rpm. I guess we'll see when we get some pulls on it.

You're welcome! I hope it works for you, as good as it does for us.

No Crayon needed & explains it pretty well without trying to make you or other's feel better about yourselves. i have to remember when my bike goes to Gilbert it has been & will be a "bigger" bike.

Cool! Buddy says they are racing Fri.-Sun. we plan on running all 3 days.

I guess the only reason I was making a 1900+ mile trip was to see all the "bigger" bikes from MI. LOL, what a joke! I'm bringing a "little" bike from NV. to race/meet with any HQ Member's from MI. or wherever. Next time I guess I need to classify my bike according to the proper ATV hierarchy standards of QP. I'm sure I will be fine, meeting up with my family from MI. That's where I was born & raised.

Nothing on Thurs. & I know nothing about how the event runs. From what I have seen so far is they start testing at noon Fri.

I've been planning a racing trip to MI. for a good long time now. The plan is to race at WMSD on Labor Day weekend. I've been communicating with Buddy Hammett the track manager. Looks like we will arrive late Thurs. evening on 8/29/13. That's my birthday, 51 years young. LOL! I'm sure I will have a little to drink that night. Anyway, I know 2 or 3 HQ Circus Member's expressed interest in showing up. I don't know what we are racing, but it will be something. I hope to meet some member's that weekend & have a good time. Post up if you think you might make it. It sure sounds like some good racing & decent payouts that weekend. Bryan

LOL! I have a couple thoughts, but I'll let the Pro's figure it out (K&T).

I'm being pretty hard on the DMX. I'm sure it will out perform the our old 443 gas cub some day. It was hard to beat the old cub & we might be bringing it out of retirement. Things are up in the air for what we are going to race in MI. Labor day weekend. There's something wrong in the DMX combo & the motor is coming out this weekend. It will be going to K&T the following weekend. I'm leaving it there until it's right. They have been great through this whole testing ordeal & they assured me they will get it figured out. I guess that would be a big bore DMX? Ours is a 80mm bore but we are looking for 60s-70s depending on the jockey weight. K&T went 3.50s on motor, but that's them, LOL! We are still coming to MI. to race at WMSD Labor Day weekend. Bringing a stock chassis asphalt bike converted to a 300' set-up. It will have our old 443 gas cub motor in it or a 535 on alky.

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No luck with it, our old 443 gas cub was a better combo. I'll explain a little more later in the week.

The plan changed a little due to technical difficulties, LOL! We made 3 baseline runs with the stock CDI. Then 2 runs with the Dyna CDI using a programmed in stock curve, not the Dyna provided stock curve. Both ignitions were used with the plate on +7. We saw no clear difference in ET, MPH or anything else that would indicate a advantage/change between the 2 CDIs. Now, when switching back to the custom curves we notice a distinct performance advantage. We were unable to the launch limiter on this test, due to it not working. That helps with the 60', reactions & overall consistency. This was the 1st time using our back-up Dyna ignition & apparently this feature is broken on this box.

The track owner's son put a gopro on our quad last night. I hope to find the other videos we saw besides this butt crack one. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4313925504647&set=vb.1782227223&type=2&theater Two photos of our quad from Dome Valley. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151774193002160&set=a.371903377159.194896.262823152159&type=1&theater

We have never used Sunoco fuels. We have used VP 110 & Rocket Brand 111. The tune-ups are the same as C14. On our set-up or style of racing the only change from the C14 to Q16 is the main jet size. With other types of riding, you would probably have to richen the air screw, pilot jet & needle a little. As for the times, Q16 is worth an easy .10 in 300', around .15 in the 1/8 mile & 1/4 mile. A trusted source at VP says, Q16 makes more peak HP than Methanol, but Alky will make more torque. We have ran both fuels & find they are very close in performance, with Alky providing a very small performance advantage.

I inquired about sponsoring a month ago, not the other night.

This is what we found with the Q16 running 300', 1/8 & 1/4 mile. Our baseline jetting for most conditions is 182 main using non oxygenated fuel (C14). We follow the high side of VP's fuel flow increase of 6% recommendation. The math works out to a 10.92 increase over the 182. While we have ran on a 192 main jet, our best runs on all surfaces come with a 195 main jet. FYI, we use 39-41mm PWKs.

The biggest difference in our set-ups is the tire diameter. The 18/38 (2.11 ratio) should be an improvement with a few other adjustments.

We are still a little lost on the DMX. It has only been to the track twice. We have never had very good results with the stock timing curves & additional timing in the plate with the cub motor. We started very conservative with the timing, using our cub gas timing curves. We start with 17*-20* of base timing. It slopes up to the highest timing between 22*-25* & we hold that for a set RPM range. Then we start pulling timing out to 8*-12* around our peak HP rpm. We found the cub timing was not enough for the DMX & started adding more timing. This will probably all change, because we think the stator was our problem. Anyway, the plan is to run the stock timing curve with +7 in the plate. This will be the setting for 2 runs with the stock CDI & 2 runs with the Dyna CDI. Then go back to our custom timing curve & use the launch limiter. So, I guess you could say we are doing 3 different test. We have only ran 300' the 2 times out. We hope to run 1/4 mile in the late fall. Note: The above test plan is subject to change, LOL!

Sorry, I misread that sentence. I would not feel comfortable with that either. Our newest motor is from K&T & they set it up the way I wanted.