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The paint work on that bike and helmet is pretty nifty. :geek:

Oh yeah, well if you put a saddle on one of the diesel engine in my signature, then it would be faster than (an object of yours to be named later) with super turbo alcohol oil injection and a jet engine. Naybe if you went and bought a Blaster, then you could keep up. :woot:

I have it as a *.PDF. I will have to see if I can host it somewhere. I can't seem to get it to stick as an attachment to this post. I don't have my personal laptop with me on this business trip, otherwise I would just convert it to a *.jpeg. Aside from being on SuperFlow's website, the article (if that's what you want to call it. (I think it's more a of a side bar story)) was originally written to go in the SuperFlow quarterly news letter. I think I am pretty much done with this thread any way. There is nothing more good that can come from this thread. I already went outside my normal boundaries by emailing my friend at SuperFlow. I guess I let myself get too worked up over all of this. I just cannot stand people who lie.

To be fair, I never said GP made shit. I simply observed that the lockup clutch was unnecessarily overly complicated, the GP throttle body in the thread was crude, the Motec FIS system was ancient, the dyno techniques displayed in the video were garbage, and the dyno absorber wasn't what it was claimed to be. Then, I get Nate McCoy coming after me for no apparent reason. What I want to know is, why this Bluetraxx / PS bs is coming over here. Pretty soon we ar going to have threads that involve people getting all pissed off at each other because someone said that some bike they saw once in a magazine is faster than a bike someone else saw in a magazine. :: :shoothead:

I am pretty sure warming up and gasoline or alcohol fueled engine has warming it up before use as a best practice, especially on cooling systems without thermostats. :geek:

Nate, I don't know much about your stuff other than what I have read and I don't have an opinion about your stuff, good or bad. If I remember coreectly, I think I met you at Two Stroke Wars about three years ago. You certainly seemed impressed by my CNC ported cylinders and my general knowledge of racing engine development. You seem to think I am wrong about my observations regarding the GP products. I am a bit concerned that it seems like you don't know any better. Maybe you are just nut swinging from another person in the industry. I have no idea. It didn't seem like you were this silly when I met you, but I guess some people are different when they are unburdened by the lack of accountability afford to people by the internet. I just spoke with Jeff Evans, the vice president of SUperFlow North America and he forwarded me the article from their website regard the GP operation and it certainly confirms that indeed the absorber is not made by SuperFlow, just the control is. The article was written as a feature to demonstrate the ability to sucessfully retrofit other manufacturers equipment. I suspect it would be a good time for you to drop this as you are embarassing yourself. Maybe GP has another dyno besides the one in the video? Though Jeff said that they hadn't sold GP anything else. You certainly are not going to crush my ego with anything you say as most of it seems to be second hand or made up information. It's sad that is what you have to do to try and make yourself look better yo your customer base. Maybe you are just trying to feel better about yourself. I am not sure. As for my point #9 from my previous post, I do take my own advice and I certainly know many folks that are better than I am professionaly in many ways. However, that group of folks certainly does not include you or GP. I can't imagine why I would start a new thread to trash talk someone. That seems to be your deal, not mine. Really, all I ever did was give the lock up clutch from GP a thumbs down, the dyno testing in the video a thumbs down, and a thumbs sideway for that three hole throttle body. You filled in the rest. Who's the ass now? Ooops, I think it's you................. :ermm:

What do you call Mexicans in a hot tub? I don't believe I have heard this joke before.

Nah, this thread just reminded me of the Passion thread. I never bought anything from either one of those guys. Jeff at F.A.S.T is a nice guy though and a contibuting member on here. :shrug:

I believe you are talking about a circlip that retain the piston pin? If that is the case, then yes, you need to install it. For anyone else who is reading this, I have a personal opinion about these criclips being better than most of the circlips that come with other pistons. It would be interesting to see if they are interchangeable with Wiseco circlips. I personally use real i.d. snap rings, but that's a whole other story. :geek:

What does your caster look like? A more important question would be: do you have caster adjustable upper a-arms? :geek:

I know you use Marvins, Dave. I wasn't poking at you in any way. I was hope you could teach me something. :geek: It appears that my next question about struts was already asked. I suppose I should just go back to wondering about the more important questions in life. :ermm:

Did you wind up buying Shaw's or Fox's? I am at that juncture right now. I ahve it whittled down to Hillshooter Shaw's and the Fox Floats. I can't decided. The pain in the ass that is the ordering process with FOx may be the tie breaker. :geek:

Dave, forgive me for being uninformed, but why do people want to run the R6 and R1 shocks? I gather the spring rate must be higher than an OEM Banshee shock, but the valving has to be way off from anything reasonable for offraod use? :ermm:

To mitigate the poop flinging, I have a few randon thoughts and statements: 1.) I am an asshole sometimes. Like it or not. 2.) I am really only here for your and my entertainment pleasure. 3.) This Kevin guy may be a nice guy. I never said he wasn't and I certainly never met him in person. 4.) If the person posting here under the McCoy Performance name is actually Nate McCoy, then you and I have actually met in person a few years ago at Two Stroke Wars. 5.) I never said any of the Gigot stuff didn't work. The locup clutch pictures isn't really a new idea. Drag racers (cars, funny cars, etc.) have been using a similair device as a harmonic balancer since the 1960's. TCI even commercially marketed a product called "The Rattler" for awhile. My hack at the design was that it is overly complicated for the application as well as only being adjustable by changing to different weight balls which either means larger balls and potentially machining differeent races into the clutch or denser balls which past a certain point do not commonly exist due the original application of the balls (I assume ball bearings or buck shot). It just doesn't seem to make much sense to me design-wise, if you actually wanted to sell these units to the public. 6.) The dyno in the video is not a SuperFlow absorber. It looks like an early 1980's Rototest unit. Now, I'm not saying it's bad. It's just not being advertised correctly. 7.) Some folks may think I'm wrong for saying what I said here, but really I feel I'm just keeping it real, as Dave Chapelle might say. To contribute to the community here, I feel it should be pointed out, if someone who is in the ATV business is being described in such a way that may mislead someone who is thinking about purchasing such items or services as mentioned in this thread. I certainly don't see myself as doing any favors for anyone in this thread, but I am certainly not regurgitating poo in defense of some products I that I purchased. 8.) Nut Swinging is a funny term. 9.)Small man syndrome is easily identifiable when you observe someone that is so arrogant about their or someone else's work that they think that there isn't anyone out there in the world who knows more than they do or is better than them with respect to any given topic. This ought to be a life lesson for anyone in any sort of technical profession. People who claim to be innovators or the best at anything generally are not. Example: you do not see anyone who is actually the best anything truely acknowledged as such until they are dead. ..................and I'm spent. :biggrin:

If you have the fuel tank liberated from the frame and the petcock removed than sloshing a quart of acetone around in the tank will clean out most of the varnish left by fuel and oil. If you have a bunch of dirt in there than a trip to the coin-op car wash with a pressure washer may be in order, but not environmentally friendly. :geek:

If we're going to start being stupid about this....................let's get it over with. I ma not jealous of anything this Gigot guy has.............he's pretty small time.........compared to the rest of motorsport oriented business folks. I don't mean to make any personal slurrs about the person who runs the GP operation, but from what I have seen on the internet, which is silly, I know, the design of the "flashy" or "fringe" parts that he makes are not great. You say his lockup is better than every one else's.................I bet you have no proof of that and certainly it could have less mechanically fastened moving parts, but saying it has less moving parts is ridiculous. You have to count the balls in that thing and they are not mechanically secure it any way. Beyond that I never said the GP parts didn't work. I merely observed that the design of the throttle body for instance was crude and the design of the louckup clutch was unnecessarily over complicated. The actual absorber unit in the video is not a SuperFlow unit. The control system may be, but that's not in the video. Besides the CycleDyne system from Superflow refers to the control more than anything. I believe they attach several different absorbers to that package as well as retrofitting it onto other manufacturers products. In any case the dyno techniques displayed in the video are very unprofessional. What was displayed in the video will get you laughed out of most serious engine development circles. With regard to the CNC shop GP supposedly has at his disposal, it's tough to say what he really has without seeing something other thant the part discussed in this thread. Based on that though, it's nothing special. Not knowing anything more than what is shown here nad on his website, I seriously doubt the guy in the video is a trained engineer. Another question that one might is ask is that if the guy is so great, why is he a one man show? This entire thread seems to be vaguely reminscent of the Passion Racing thread from several months ago. Which all seems to be a product of retarded nut swinging by a seriously retarded individuals. With regard to the personal attacks sent in my direction: 1.) Unless you have been featured in RaceTech or Racecar Engineering Magazine, shut up. 2.) For all I know the people handing out the verbal abuse are jealous of me? I can't see why, but it seems some people have a serious case of small man syndrome. 3.) All of the ATV stuff I do is a hobby, and I generally don't make any moeny off of it. I see it as being a very simple medium that involves a ground vehicle that I can tinker with. 4.) There are people better than me out there in this world at what I do, but it's a minority. While I may have a big ego, I have worked very hard to pack in my successful career accomplishments at a somewhat young age. No one can argue any of that. When one of my detractors on here goes and becomes a leader in a globally successful racing effort, let me know, then we can compare brain pans. 5.) Respect is an earned thing with me. Jabbering away about stuff that is over you head and posting hokey videos of yourself on the internet doesn't earn you damn thing. Lying, being inconsistant, making stuff up, skewing fact to make you are someonelse seem less retarded, and nut swinging in general makes me fell sorry for you more than anything. Obviously something isn't right in your life if that's what you feel you need to do inorder to feel important. You might as well go buy a Big Johnson t-shirt and claim to be the reason it was created for all that it matters. With that said, this thread has left me scratching my head with regard to the seemingly endless population of silly individuals out there. I don't know what else to say.

I aim to please..............

I don't think this Gigot Performance place can be be marketing that MOTEC unit as their own kit. MOTEC does not allow their components to be privately branded. I am not really sure why we have to talk about ATV specific dyno's and an ATV can be run on any dynamomter given the proper physical envelope and fidelity of the control system and absorber. If you want to talk about how many ATV specific, eddy current dyno's I know of off the top of my head, then the number would be 4. The reason being, most folks buy anautomotive chassis size dynamometer if they are looking to buy something better than an inertia brake dyno for ATV's, as the customer gets much more value for their out cash out lay, they can still run most any two wheel drive vehicle thus allowing them to have a broader customer base and make more money. The problem with eddy current dynomometer in general is that they are usually air cooled or have close loop oil cooling system, which since this type of dyno is essentially a giant resistor, winds up losing power absorption ability over a relatively short period of time. The upside is that they are small and most folks can afford them. If the ATV industry is you target market, then a VVI Water brake dynamometer is a much better investment if quality of of engine development work is your goal (it's obviously not based on the video in this thread). The downside is you either need to be on a major city water line and deal with a big water bill or you need to have a cooling tower (which like to grow bacteria and smell if not maintained religiously). The end all, beat all, type of dynamometer for anyone who is really serious about engine development is generally know as an AC dyno (basically the absorber is a large AC motor). AVL and Horiba are the leading companies with this type of dyno for sale. A "real" engine or chassis dyno has to be able to profile follow and motor (some eddy current, water brake, and friction brake dynos can do this, but there is expensive optional equipment involved, and they can't do it for extended periods of time. There usually winds up being an AC motor involved with these hybrid dynos anyway). Getting back to the original video in this thread. That dyno is not well maintained, it may have a Superflow control system, but the dyno chassis and absorber were not made by Superflow. Proper dynamomter techniques and procedures are not being used and that whole operation looks pretty much like a hack is running it. I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure the guy in that video is a hack. :ermm:

You're untintelligent................and let me tell you why: Every dynamometer has a load cell. A load cell is a strain gauge on a known deformable structure (maybe you're not dumb and you just made a mistake). What differentiates dynamometers quality and capability is the trype of drive unit or absorber that is attached to the load cell. Read below (since it seems you are about 15 years old and know how to use the internet): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamometer#T....2Fdriver_units The link to the Superflow website you posted is clearly irrelevant in this case (way to be smarter than me. good job). The link to to the Motec M4 FIS unit you posted is of box that is out of the late 1980's. I wish I worked with high tech. stuff like that. The throttle body unit you posted looks to be a low pressure common rail unit certainly not vey special. Besides you said it was all for a Moto GP bike (were you making that up?). This thread was all about a video of a single cylinder, two stroke. 250R'ish engine. When was the last time you saw an engine like that run in any Moto GP class (answer: never). I would really appreciate it if you could organize your thoughts and falicies in a logical manner in the future so that I don't feel so bad about wasting my time proving some guy, with only a couple posts on BasheeHQ, has a metal capacity of the Mexican guy that is a Valet at the hotel I'm staying at, who went and parked my company car, lost the keys, then claimed I never gave him the keys (Upon presenting this information to him, he ran off). I know of Calvin via the internet...........that's about it. I thought that video was originally advertised as being of a Caracal, not a Sabertooth. If it was a Sabertooth then it has been around atleast as long as you say it has. If I was mistaken about that, then I apologize. I really don't do the ATV racing industry nut swinging thing (to borrow a term from someone on here), but you seem to, so grab on to lefty and hang on tight. :thumbsup:

This questions answer really depends on you application and the quality of design and construction of the arm. For most general recreation folks, the rectangular tubing arm probably makes more sense as it would be the easiest to fixture, align, and make good joints where the pivot tube and axle carriers mee the main arm tubes. I have seen a few aero tube arms that I like (I own one of them). I haven't seen any round tube arms that really made me happy, though I am sure they are fin for the most part. :geek:

Motec is a brand name of aftermarket fuel injector controllers and data aquisition systems. GP Racing is not a model of one of their controllers though. Why do we not see a battery on that bike which would be necessary to run such an ECM and the HPP? Those claims smell like BS, but I 'll give him the benefit of the doubt I suppose. :ermm:

What the hell is a load cell dyno? I'm pretty sure you made that up. That dyno was not made by SuperFlow. The guy in that video is not a professional. If the cylinder on that bike is what he claims it to be..........I don't believe it was out three years ago like you claim. Sorry, to burst you bubble, but I am not a keyboard jockey, which why you don't see me posting pictures of my crap up all over the interenet. I have better things to do. Also, I am not in the ATV business and never have been, so there's really no benefit for me to try to creatively infalte my reputation on the internet. :ermm:

Unfortunately, between work and my buddy getting married, I won't be doing much riding this summer.

I will measure mine when I get home (July 6th). :thumbsup:

If you do a search for breather lines on the HQ you should find a thread that has pictures of one of the brakets I made (I am not able to post any pictures up for a bit, so hopefully you can find). FYI: Removing the coolant bottle completely is a silly idea that seems to have grown into something good to do via the internet. Unless you are purely drag racing your bike, it's a dumb idea. Some people get away with it due to a pseudo malfunctioning cooling system, but in reality, the Banshee cooling system is a coolant recovering system, that properly taken care of does work. Certain cool heads, failed radiator caps, low coolant level, and air leaks in the cooling system tend to lead folks to believe the prior myth. :geek: