UFC thoughts?

[cam2]

i watch UFC and MMA type fights when i can but i'm not a huge fan like some here (RIPPEN). i enjoy this type of fighting but i don't like the choke out and i wish it would be barred. i'm all for submission holds and i know that a fighter is supposed to protect himself at all times, but to me the choke out is an easy out. i know that these fighters are skilled and it may be harder to get them in a choke hold than it would be to get the average joe in a choke hold. i've seen some people get out of it, but i still don't like it. i was wondering what others thought about the choke out.

[theshee]

I like it. I think when they are fighting on the ground it makes them think about how they are going to get free more. The fighters know they cant get their back turned to the other fighter or they are going to get choked. I think it adds more too UFC and the stradgity of the fighting.

[locogato11283]

i think its fine. theres a lot of strategy that goes into the movies leading up to a choke out. those guys have to know every possible way in and out just to get to the position where a choke can happen. that happens so fast its not even funny. they show they are quick thinkers and can take advantage of the situation..

 

as for knockouts..i love to see someone get knocked out. but, anyone can throw a haymaker and catch a chin..sure some guys are more skilled than others at standup but in all reality, ANYONE get throw a knockout punch or get knocked out..ground game, submission and choke out take split second planning. once an opening is made its either now or never..

 

i like to see a fight won either way as long as its a good fight. these dance around the ring and lay around with each other like youre on a picnic doesnt do it for me. i like to see continuous action leading up the the end of the fight.

[RIPPEN]

MMA in general is actually safer in the long run (believe it or not) than boxing.. Sharp K.O.' s or submission are allot less harder on a fighter than hundreds of hits like in boxing.. And after last nights boxing match MMA is funner to watch to! IMO :biggrin:

 

As far as the choke goes.. Iam ok with it. A fighter has the oportunity to stop the fight at any second.. He feels he is gonna go out, all he has to do is tap.. If he stays there and lets himself be put out its basicly his choice and the ref's are good to stop the fight when needed(sometimes to early). I can uderstand where your coming from saying it seems like the easy way out.. To people that haven't been watching it very much its sometimes hard to see what guys are doing or trying to do on the ground. Sometimes they are just layin there but usually they are trying to manipulate the other guy and with how strong and skill most are its a difficult thing to do..

As said above, these guys train hard to use/defend chokes and submission's.. Back in the day, the majority of fighters were these barroom brawlers that would come in and just try to knock guys out before they became tired, tank abbot is one example.. Then you had fighter like Royce that was killer on the ground but lacked striking and KO power.. With fighters in UFC or MMA today they strive to be "well rounded" and it makes things MUCH more interesting.. Haveing skill on the feet and ground is the only way your gonna be able to see who the best fighters are..

 

If anything I would change the rules and lose the elbows.. Seen allot of fights in the past get stopped because of cuts resulting from elbows.. That shit always sucks..

 

RIPPEN

[Bansh88]

Dude. Elbows kick ass! I love the Muay Thai fighters. Elbows are fairly rare anyhow. Especially in stand up.

I'd like to see head butts allowed again. That would break up all these slow paced, lay on the ground conflicts.

[fastrthnu]

Its fine the way it is,.... dont like it dont watch it! Id rather be choked out than knocked the F out!

[RIPPEN]

Dude. Elbows kick ass! I love the Muay Thai fighters. Elbows are fairly rare anyhow. Especially in stand up.

I'd like to see head butts allowed again. That would break up all these slow paced, lay on the ground conflicts.

You must not follow UFC to close??? Ask Cro Cop about how much elbows are being used.. :yelrotflmao: There are tons of past fights that have been stoped due to nothing more than a cut from a elbow.. I think they are good for good damage, look cool, and are great weapons.. But from a competative standpoint, they suck.. Iam not hugely against elbows but if i had to get rid of one thing it would be elbows before chokes..

 

RIPPEN

[Bansh88]

You must not follow UFC to close??? Ask Cro Cop about how much elbows are being used.. :yelrotflmao: There are tons of past fights that have been stoped due to nothing more than a cut from a elbow.. I think they are good for good damage, look cool, and are great weapons.. But from a competative standpoint, they suck.. Iam not hugely against elbows but if i had to get rid of one thing it would be elbows before chokes..

 

uh....if you DON'T want that, check out boxing.

The only thing I remember from the CroCop fight was Gonzaga's foot.

If the UFC wants to NOT stand their fighters up and let them lay on the ground for 4 1/2 minutes every round, the elbow is a great way to end the fight.

[locogato11283]

uh....if you DON'T want that, check out boxing.

The only thing I remember from the CroCop fight was Gonzaga's foot.

If the UFC wants to NOT stand their fighters up and let them lay on the ground for 4 1/2 minutes every round, the elbow is a great way to end the fight.

 

see thats exactly what people who dont respect the technical ability of the MMA fighter would say.. all you can remember is the knockout??!!..you dont remember the quick take down, ground and pound and basic beating of cro cop on the ground.. in my opinion, and im sure many others will agree, who actually know what they are looking at is that gonzaga's take down and ground and pound is what won that fight. he took a lot out of cro cop on the ground both physically and mentally. im sure in cro cops wildest dreams he never thought the fight would go that way..knowing he could be so easily dominated on the ground was in the back of his head the rest of that fight. when youre thinking you can get taken down that easily, you arent thinking offensively, youre thinking defensively..that hinders a strikers performance, which is what cro cop is..

 

as for guys laying on the ground, if there is significant action they will remain on the ground. same goes for boxing, if the fighters are tied up, still throwing some good blows, they will let them be. otherwise, they break it up and start them off standing up again..

 

as for elbows, if you can make them work and hurt your opponent then good for you. i dont think they should be taken out for the simple fact that if they start banning one move, itll eventually go right back to boxing, and who the fuck wants to watch that shit anymore?

[Bansh88]

Don't get me wrong, I like ground battles. I just hate to see 2 dudes laying there who cant get shit going. Gonzaga ruled CroCop on the ground. I realized pretty early, Gonzaga had a really good chance of winning.

 

Let's not get philosophical on these fighters. The only reason UFC and MMA is what it is today is because of big knockouts.

That's why guys fight in these things and why we watch.

[locogato11283]

Don't get me wrong, I like ground battles. I just hate to see 2 dudes laying there who cant get shit going. Gonzaga ruled CroCop on the ground. I realized pretty early, Gonzaga had a really good chance of winning.

 

Let's not get philosophical on these fighters. The only reason UFC and MMA is what it is today is because of big knockouts.

That's why guys fight in these things and why we watch.

 

im not getting philosophical, just stating some opinions.

 

as for why UFC and MMA got big, i dont think big knockouts are the reason..if that was so, then i would think boxing would still be as big as it once was. i mean, there have been some pretty major knockouts in boxing too. i think the reason UFC and MMA got so big is because people got tired of seeing two guys dance around the ring and take home a big paycheck by getting a black eye with 12 or 14 ounce gloves on. UFC shows a fighters well roundedness and ability to strike by punching, kicking, and submission..most guys in MMA take a real beating and actually earn their pay.. well except guys like tim sylvia and andre arlovski(worthless bums with some pretty lame fights lately).

 

i agree, i dont like seeing the picnics on the ground. but the ref's do a pretty good job of keeping the action going..

[rhuebner]

I'm just glad UFC bought Pride, so we can see more fight instead of the same ones.

[locogato11283]

I'm just glad UFC bought Pride, so we can see more fight instead of the same ones.

 

everything i have read said that UFC and pride will remain separate for now.. its prolly gonna be a while before the mixing of the fighters start. im sure some of them have contracts still open..

[cam2]

dont like it dont watch it!

that's an asinine statement. i like MMA, i'm not going to stop watching it becasue i don't like the choke out. i guess it's less harmful then being knocked out, like cro-cop was....ouch.

 

i think the reason UFC and MMA got so big is because people got tired of seeing two guys dance around the ring and take home a big paycheck by getting a black eye with 12 or 14 ounce gloves on. UFC shows a fighters well roundedness and ability to strike by punching, kicking, and submission..most guys in MMA take a real beating and actually earn their pay.. well except guys like tim sylvia and andre arlovski(worthless bums with some pretty lame fights lately).

 

i agree, i dont like seeing the picnics on the ground. but the ref's do a pretty good job of keeping the action going..

i agree. it definitely appeals to the younger crowd. some of the old school boxing fans may disagree. but action sells.

[rhuebner]

everything i have read said that UFC and pride will remain separate for now.. its prolly gonna be a while before the mixing of the fighters start. im sure some of them have contracts still open..

They have already started, Cro Cop and Rampage Jackson have already fought they are from Pride. What is cool is fighters from both UFC and Pride can hold belts in both leagues.

Lets see how smart you UFC guys are, click on my avatar and look at my personal photo, which UFC fighter is in that photo with me.