pistons instead of porting?

[Tim C]

if you think thats funny listen to this..

 

a guy i work with was trying to tell me he had a banshee with high compression pistons.. i started to tell him theres no such thing, and he proceeded to tell me i didnt know what i was talking about.. so i start telling him what ive built and what i have currently and tried to expain to him that there are no SUCH THING as high compression pistons for a 2 stroke.. ::

 

the conversation ended when he told me that he buys special b8es spark plugs that make it not foul plugs.. (at this point i walked out to my truck and got a ngk b8es plug, which he agreed is what he runs :shoothead: ), i told him he was an idiot and had to stop talking to him for the night before his dumbness rubbed off on me... :shrug:

 

without dumb people in the world, i dont think it would be as fun to be here..lol

 

 

 

Well genius - Vito's Power Pistons (not their SS pistons) raise the compression about 10lbs which I guess would make it a high compression piston

 

NGK makes their Iridium plug that replaces the B8es or BR8es that they claim is anti-fouling........it's much harder to foul then the regular plugs

 

Also explain to me why a Vito's piston would snag to top of the exhaust port any easier then a Weisco or any other. If the exhaust port is NOT cut wider no piston should snag it

 

So who's the idiot now?

 

 

I've run Vito's SS pistons in the past and have never had a problem. I agree that the power gain won't equal a good port job but there a a very noticeable power gain

[Malott 1]

Vito's power pistons have short skirts which will allow the piston to rock back and forth in your cylinder wall. I think in the beginning they were popular but once they checked the cylinders later on they realized the piston was causing the cylinder wall to be wavy. I know from experience.

[Tim C]

 

Oh and why would you spend the money on an iridium plug when it is not needed? If you think you need an iridium plug to keep it from fouling out then you need to learn how to tune your bike. I run the no frills BR8EG and I can run those plugs for up to 8 or 9 months without changing. It is all about your tuning and how well you take car of your bike.

 

 

 

I never said I use Iridium plugs - I said that NGK makes them. I've always used BR8ES plugs and never had a problem...........I learned how to tune my bike along time ago - maybe you need to learn how to read what I wrote

[Shee-Male]

Well genius!!!!!! I think what he was trying to say is the b8es is a standard plug nothing special about it(unlike what his unknowledgeable coworker was saying).

 

Oh and why would you spend the money on an iridium plug when it is not needed? If you think you need an iridium plug to keep it from fouling out then you need to learn how to tune your bike. I run the no frills BR8EG and I can run those plugs for up to 8 or 9 months without changing. It is all about your tuning and how well you take car of your bike.

 

So whos the genius now?

Holy cow I didn't know they shortened the skirts. That is asking for trouble. If you look at all the new 4-strokes nowadays that is exactly why they reccomend 25-30 ring changes.

 

The piston skirts on the new 4 strokes are so short they start to rock back and forth inside the cylinders. I have literally seen a motor come into a local shop that the piston was run for so long that it tried to turn sideways inside the cylinder and absolutely destroyed the motor. Broke the rod ate 2 valves and punched a hole clean thru the cylinder wall.

Short skirts are very dangerous IMO.

 

....The vito's shorten the skit to simulate a higher exhaust port...or did you miss that. Irridium plugs work awsome, wicked response, I've run the same set for 2.5 years now....awsome.

 

......and thr cylinder was so worn that the piston turned sideways, I remember working at the mechine shop seeing that all the time :shoothead:

 

Do the porting, you'll thank youself for it later

Edited November 26, 2006 by Shee-Male

[kubiac3]

The way this topic is going im just going to say it, I highly suggest a boost bottle also.

 

Also seriously now, if your jugs are bored over alot, say .80, I would buy some new ones off ebay so that you get a good return on your money if you do a port job.

[lowriderb]

Well genius - Vito's Power Pistons (not their SS pistons) raise the compression about 10lbs which I guess would make it a high compression piston

 

NGK makes their Iridium plug that replaces the B8es or BR8es that they claim is anti-fouling........it's much harder to foul then the regular plugs

 

Also explain to me why a Vito's piston would snag to top of the exhaust port any easier then a Weisco or any other. If the exhaust port is NOT cut wider no piston should snag it

 

So who's the idiot now?

I've run Vito's SS pistons in the past and have never had a problem. I agree that the power gain won't equal a good port job but there a a very noticeable power gain

 

 

well since its been explained already why a vito's shitty ass piston design would snag an exhaust port.. or just break the skirt period i dont think ive got to re-affirm that..

 

the moron put namura pistons in his bike from what i found out (from his friend that put it together for him).. that i know of they dont make high compression pistons.. and i wouldnt trust the clearances of my motor to a vito's piston regardless of the pin offset to raise the compression. with purpose built motors your never going to see some sort of gimmic piston in those or my motors..

 

the guy that i work with HAS THE SAME FUCKING PLUGS THAT I HAD IN MY HAND AT THE TIME.. they were b8es plugs, he just thinks he has some special plugs... b8es plugs are not special is what i was saying nowhere did i say anything about the iridium plugs... also if you read what you wrote, you said that "the iridium plugs are anti-fouling.... its much harder to foul then the regular plugs." isnt that what anti-fouling means?

 

 

so moron anything bright to touch up on seeing how you and him should meet and share motor building tips?

 

 

who's the idiot now?

 

:shoothead:

[Tim C]

well since its been explained already why a vito's shitty ass piston design would snag an exhaust port.. or just break the skirt period i dont think ive got to re-affirm that..

 

the moron put namura pistons in his bike from what i found out (from his friend that put it together for him).. that i know of they dont make high compression pistons.. and i wouldnt trust the clearances of my motor to a vito's piston regardless of the pin offset to raise the compression. with purpose built motors your never going to see some sort of gimmic piston in those or my motors..

 

the guy that i work with HAS THE SAME FUCKING PLUGS THAT I HAD IN MY HAND AT THE TIME.. they were b8es plugs, he just thinks he has some special plugs... b8es plugs are not special is what i was saying nowhere did i say anything about the iridium plugs... also if you read what you wrote, you said that "the iridium plugs are anti-fouling.... its much harder to foul then the regular plugs." isnt that what anti-fouling means?

so moron anything bright to touch up on seeing how you and him should meet and share motor building tips?

who's the idiot now?

 

:shoothead:

 

 

Hey all I was trying to point out is that you can buy high compression pistons for a Banshee (which you said there is no such thing) and you can get plugs that NGK claim are anti-fouling..........I never said that either were the best nor do I run them.

 

I have run Vito's SS pistons and never had any problem with them cracking or catching the exhaust port - maybe I was just lucky. I would think that there would have to be alot of clearence for the piston to rock enough to catch to port

[4strokessuck]

I have seen stock pistons with cracked and broken skirts. It was because the machine was waaay overdue for a rebuild. Any real 2 stroke rider knows to keep tabs on their comp. to know when it is time to to a rebuild. I run the S.S. pistons and they DO make more power. Especially if you consider that I spent the extra $80 for these pistons and gained about as much power as when I bolted on the Trinity head. Talk all the $h!t you want then ask the 20+ riders I just smoked today, Black Friday, and last Sun.

[Tim C]

I have seen stock pistons with cracked and broken skirts. It was because the machine was waaay overdue for a rebuild. Any real 2 stroke rider knows to keep tabs on their comp. to know when it is time to to a rebuild. I run the S.S. pistons and they DO make more power. Especially if you consider that I spent the extra $80 for these pistons and gained about as much power as when I bolted on the Trinity head. Talk all the $h!t you want then ask the 20+ riders I just smoked today, Black Friday, and last Sun.

 

 

90% of the people on here that talk shit about them has never run then. Like you said for the little extra they cost vs. the HP gain they are a good deal.

[kubiac3]

Im going to have to agree with Tim C, but like said before by FAST1 he ran them and had problems. I suppose its all about application. If you are building a monster then I suppose they may not be for you. I have very little work done to my bike compared to alot of people on here, but Im 20 and dont have the money to drop thousands of dollars into a toy. So the vitos pistons was a good bang for my buck. I guess if you really want to know what to do and what would be good for you then just ask your mechanic since you seem to really trust him. Plus if you really trust him he must be a stand up guy and would stand behind what he says, so if something goes wrong premature then he will probably help you out with fixing the problem.

[kubiac3]

Loboboy, why are you so angry. A guy just asked opinions and different people have different opinons. While im sure he will take your opinion into consideration, but theres no reason to be a dick to people about it.

 

Noone said you know nothing and im sure you know a good deal of stuff, but all he said was 90% of people that talk shit about the pistons havent ran them. Which in your case you havent so he was right on that one.

[lowriderb]

Talk all the $h!t you want then ask the 20+ riders I just smoked today, Black Friday, and last Sun.

 

 

 

out of 20 races with 20 different riders you didnt lose one race.. are you counting only 4 strokes or were there some other banshee's in there...and in those races did you line up with anything fast?

 

 

or are we just internet racing now, and in that world nobody has ever lost a race..if thats the case then my bike has never been beat..and it dont even have carbs on it..lmao.

 

 

the gimic pistons will not out perform the real thing.. simulate all the port work you want with them, i would think the original poster would be happier with the real thing.. the actual gain from them is minute when compared to the real thing, and you can get a set of regular pro lites, and have about 100 left over to put towards portwork which usually is running around 350 or so depending on what you get from where..

[Tim C]

the gimic pistons will not out perform the real thing.. simulate all the port work you want with them, i would think the original poster would be happier with the real thing.. the actual gain from them is minute when compared to the real thing, and you can get a set of regular pro lites, and have about 100 left over to put towards portwork which usually is running around 350 or so depending on what you get from where..

 

 

No one is trying to say they give as much power as a good port job but for someone that is not looking for porting or is on a budget they are a way to gain a little more power for about an extra $40 or $50.

 

You line up 2 banshees - 1 wth just pipes and one with pipes and Vito's SS pistons and the bike with them pistons will smoke the other one no trouble - Ive done it many times back when I was using them

Edited November 27, 2006 by Tim C

[blueshee03]

i ran vito's super stock pistons and they worked great with no problems and deffinately gave a huge performance boost. vitos super stock pistons are desighned for a stock unported motor and they do give a power boost!! the piston its self is the same as a regular piston with the exception of top on the exhaust side.if ran in an unported cylinder with the proper bore clearance there is no way i see that the piston or rings can snag the exhaust port. i think most guys that say they're no good or they give no power increase never ran them and never even seen them.the ones that had problems put them in with improper bore clearance.i will say you won't get gains that a good port job gives but you do get a noticable power gain with them.

Edited November 27, 2006 by blueshee03

[tmac20031]

Vito's power pistons have short skirts which will allow the piston to rock back and forth in your cylinder wall. I think in the beginning they were popular but once they checked the cylinders later on they realized the piston was causing the cylinder wall to be wavy. I know from experience.

 

Not just singlen you out but this is supposed to be a site where banshee riders can go to get advice from people that have "experience" with whatever it is they are getting help on, so Im going to say that, Unless anyboby has actually, with there own eyes(not that, ive heard, my friend heard bull) seen vitos fail then shut the freak up because there doesnt need to be negative comments on products that might be perfectly fine.