CombatTalon2 Posted August 13, 2005 Report Posted August 13, 2005 Ok, Im asking this for a friend of mine. He bought a 33 Foot Fifth wheel Thor toy hauler. GVWR of that is 15,000 lbs. He has a 2003 GMC sierra dually w/ 8.1 motor and its GVWR is 11,400 lbs. So that puts him above the 26,000 lbs limit that i have found on the AZ MVD webpage. Now, since this is NOT a commercial vechicle, does he need a CDL? And if we drive into California, do the rules change? Any help would be appreciated in this matter! Quote
wesw Posted August 13, 2005 Report Posted August 13, 2005 in theory he should have one, in reality they wont jack with you or him about it. they are more after semis, and pu trucks doing hot shot loads. so your friend should be ok. just tag the units under 26k and you will be fine, they go off what your tag at. Quote
bansheefreak Posted August 14, 2005 Report Posted August 14, 2005 he should not have to have one... this is for recreation only.. he is not haulling materail to make money... so i say no he dont need a cdl... for the fact it is not for hire and for rec. only... i have seen others have a semi hauling a toyhauler with no cdl cus it was for rec only... Quote
fast87 Posted August 14, 2005 Report Posted August 14, 2005 and his trailer doesn't have air brakes, yet another reason why he doesn't need a CDL, cops care, but not THAT much ~Mark~ Quote
MonkeyBoy Posted August 14, 2005 Report Posted August 14, 2005 As a former supervisor for a major food distributor in Ca I can tell you this. Over 26001 lbs, you need a class A. You can get a noncommercial class A, but you need that regardless. You may get away with it, but if you get in an accident, you are running unlicensed. No license means no insurance, all the policies have a clause to opt them out for instances like this. Also, if the trucks GVWR is exceeded, your insurance will not cover you either, so depending on the layout, you better have at least a one ton. Quote
bansheefreak Posted August 14, 2005 Report Posted August 14, 2005 gvwr is your gross vehicle weight which means this is all your truck will haul...if you put it in the bed.. there is another weight which is actual weight of the truck...sure a big toyhauler and a dually would be under 26,000lbs unless you are hauling a tank for your toy... Quote
wesw Posted August 14, 2005 Report Posted August 14, 2005 and his trailer doesn't have air brakes, yet another reason why he doesn't need a CDL, cops care, but not THAT much ~Mark~ 404544[/snapback] you get endorsements for air brakes on your cdl. like combinations and tanker also just cause it doesnt have air brakes doesnt make it where you dont need a cdl Quote
CombatTalon2 Posted August 14, 2005 Author Report Posted August 14, 2005 gvwr is your gross vehicle weight which means this is all your truck will haul...if you put it in the bed.. there is another weight which is actual weight of the truck...sure a big toyhauler and a dually would be under 26,000lbs unless you are hauling a tank for your toy... 404635[/snapback] GVWR is what the CDL requirement is based upon....Because the Potential is there for you to haul that amount of weight. Quote
bansheefreak Posted August 14, 2005 Report Posted August 14, 2005 well at work we have semis tagged from 26,000 to 85,500 they all can haull 80,000 but you can tag them for lower... so you cant base a cdl for what the potentail is... cus if you are hauling a toy hauler fifthwheel you are not gonna have 15,000 on the trailer and another 11,000 on the truck too... you might get the 15,000 on the trailer but unless you hauling lead in lil blocks to put in the bed around the gooseneck you will never get 11,000 in the truck too... so in this thoery the potential is not there... cus only way you gonna get 11,000 on the truck is in the bed.. i would just to to the dmv and see what they say.. if he has to get qa cdl which i dont see why he would but if so its not that hard he should just have to take the general knowledge test... Quote
wesw Posted August 14, 2005 Report Posted August 14, 2005 GVWR is what the CDL requirement is based upon....Because the Potential is there for you to haul that amount of weight. 404642[/snapback] there is not such thing as potential weight. you dont get a cdl to only haul say 70000 lbs. you have class A OR B A is combination tractor trailer b is just bob tail or trucks only so by getting a cdl you are able to haul what ever weight it allowed. by your tag and permitts. and what your equipment can bridge. your buddy doesnt need a cdl to pull that stuff, cause his pu is tagged for 26m or less im betting. Quote
CombatTalon2 Posted August 14, 2005 Author Report Posted August 14, 2005 there is not such thing as potential weight. you dont get a cdl to only haul say 70000 lbs. you have class A OR B A is combination tractor trailer b is just bob tail or trucks only so by getting a cdl you are able to haul what ever weight it allowed. by your tag and permitts. and what your equipment can bridge. your buddy doesnt need a cdl to pull that stuff, cause his pu is tagged for 26m or less im betting. 404653[/snapback] His truck is 11,400 GVWR and the Trailer is 15,000 GVWR, according to the AZ DOT website that puts him above the 26,000 limit for tractor/trailer. I just need to find out if its for Rec only if he is good in Cali and Arizona. If you are from another state thanks for your input, but i think it differs state to state. AZ Dot CDL page Quote
wesw Posted August 14, 2005 Report Posted August 14, 2005 i used to drive over the road so i know about cdl and whatnot. im just saying your buddies shouldnt have any problems. Quote
SANDSTAR Posted August 14, 2005 Report Posted August 14, 2005 I dabble in the commodities busness.... Your buddy is not going to get in trouble here in AZ. I have several friends with similar set-ups. No CDL required unless you are pulling above CDL weight for commercial purposes. If you put a dually pick-up bed on a full size tractor, and have "NOT FOR HIRE" signs plainly displayed, you will not be required to have a CDL. My buddie's father had a heart attack and lost his cdl endorsement. He is retired, and used a Peterbuilt to pull his fith wheel. He got around the CDL requirement by putting a Dodge Dually bed on the back of his Pete, and having "not for hire" painted on both sides. I was with him when he was pulled over on the way to Glamis. They gave him a speeding ticket and sent him on his way. DPS never even mentioned anything about a CDL. Quote
lincster Posted August 15, 2005 Report Posted August 15, 2005 Nope, doesn't need one in AZ. When you travel to Cali, you are still registered in AZ, so Cali cops can't do anything. Quote
MonkeyBoy Posted August 15, 2005 Report Posted August 15, 2005 Completely wrong. If you pull into Cali, you better be preparied to follow our laws. Cali requires a class A for anything over the 26,000 limit. You can get a noncommercial class A. You would only get cought if you got pulled over, and the cop checked. Not very likely. Like I said, you wouldn't be legal here, but the chance of getting caught is slim. Quote
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