cdcoxwell Posted June 21, 2004 Author Report Posted June 21, 2004 Alright guys, removed the pipes and NOT one single drop of fuel. What should be my next move, removing the head ??? Please keep the suggestions coming. THX Cary Quote
Hockey390 Posted June 21, 2004 Report Posted June 21, 2004 If you keep kicking it over, gas will build up inside of the pipes (flooded) With a 2 stroke you need 3 things to run.. Perfectly timed spark, fuel, and air.. You said you have fuel.. and spark.. so if your pupe was full of gas, it wouldnt exactly get air.. Also it will sound sort of odd when you kick it over.. More of a BURBLE instead of piston compression.. Like my sound FX? So, if you have your exhaust working, make sure you are getting air through the carbs (clean filter).. If your spark is perfect.. I would suggest making sure the carbs are clean.. and also seeing if you have an air leak.. After that, I would say the compression is your killer...but everyone else is saying no. so, go with their word, they know more then me Quote
bansheefreak Posted June 21, 2004 Report Posted June 21, 2004 did you have carbs off the banshee before you say it was running like choke was on??? just wanted to know cus if so you could have got the slides in backwards.. i know they only go in one way but if you but right side in left and left in right they will go in backwards... also the easy way to check for airleaks is when its running spray some carb cleaner or something around all connections going to the motor.. if it revs you have a air leak. works great.. but then again you can't get it running.... Quote
svtkid78 Posted June 21, 2004 Report Posted June 21, 2004 Another little help; make sure you have the proper free-play in your throttle cabe, while you have the carbs apart check to make sure your o-rings in your float seat are ok, after sitting for so long they may be bad. Also you said that spark plugs come pre-gapped, who is to say the stock-boy didn't drop the plug and narrow the gap, always check. Quote
cdcoxwell Posted June 22, 2004 Author Report Posted June 22, 2004 Taking carbs off to clean'em now, just cleaned'em a month ago. Going to do it again just to make sure. That way I can mark off the list. Hockey, the fact that I don't have fuel in the pipes, would that be a sign that something is wrong w/the fuel not getting to its destination or I just didn't kick her that much I will chk the throttle cable because I did have it off a day or two before this happened. But, when I put it back on it seemed fine. Double-chking. The slides are bottoming out and they are at the same distance at bottom. Thx, keep'em coming Cary Quote
Hockey390 Posted June 22, 2004 Report Posted June 22, 2004 you have a good point there.. i suggest you try putting some fuel into the spark plug hole, then try and start it like that a few times.. try this a few times. If that doesnt work, then i would guess that air is your problem. However, it is interesting that you mention no fuel.. i like how you think. What do you all think about that? Quote
geaux 4 it Posted June 22, 2004 Report Posted June 22, 2004 Pump the crank case with about 7 lb's of air & look for an air leak with soapy water. Quote
cdcoxwell Posted June 22, 2004 Author Report Posted June 22, 2004 Hey guys, can't do anything tonight, inlaws are coming over for movie. I have to work a ten hr shift tomorrow. So, it may be Wed. afternoon before I can get to her. BUT, I will have my laptop at work chking to see if I receive any other suggestions, so KEEP'EM COMING Oh yea Hock, I tried pouring some gas in the otherday and still, nothing. But, I don't know if I poured enough. I think I poured only 2-3oz in each. So, ya'll tell me Thx, Cary Quote
Hockey390 Posted June 22, 2004 Report Posted June 22, 2004 (edited) too much. If your engine used that much fuel every cycle.. we would all need 30 gallon fuel tanks for a few hour ride. Edited June 22, 2004 by Hockey390 Quote
boonman Posted June 22, 2004 Report Posted June 22, 2004 2-3 oz. is wayyyy too much. Need only a fine mist.... On the fuel in the pipe thing, sometimes, if the float sticks, it will fill the cylinder(s) and/or pipe(s) up with fuel.. Which is bad. Also, your cylinders may be filled up with fuel.... Try to kick the piss out of it without any spark plugs in it... See if any fuel comes spraying out of the plug holes... If it does, than you have a filled up crankcase. Now, for a little story on that, I was at Silver lake, and I blew a head gasket. Enough so that the pressure filled up the cooling system, and blew the coolant hose off, and sprayed nicely HOT coolant all over my foot. Anyways, it sucked colant into the motor too, And dumped it in the case. I sprayed the crap out of it with WD-40 after I took the head off, (by campfire light at 1:30 A.M., because of another disaster that day, but that's another story) and I filled up the crankcase good. So nothing would start to rust b ecause of the water. The next day, I kicked it with the head off, blew some of the shit out, put the head back on, and fired it up. it spit shit out the pipes for awhile. But, it still ran. Also, I don't have stock pipes. I don't know if you do, but I think so.. Stock pipes are wierd, and seem like they would hold fuel more so than my fatties.... Anyways, point being, that if the crankcase is filled up, mayhbe the fuel mix is wayyy rich when you kick it? When you pull he plugs, are they soaking wet? The carb slide thing is also god to think about. The angled cutaway needs to facce the air cleaner... Your stator could be weak. Your coil could be playing funny games. You also may be getting fuel out of the lines, but if no fuel is let in the carbs, than you are ass out. Did/was there any fuel in the float bowls when you took the carbs off? My bike has been pretty messed up before, but it has usually always at least fired up.... Quote
cdcoxwell Posted June 22, 2004 Author Report Posted June 22, 2004 With the spark plugs off and me kicking the hell out of her, there's not any fuel being forced out of the spark plug holes. I do have stock pipes. I actually ordered Pro Circuit pipes from a local guy and had to call him back and cancelled due to the new situation. No need in having pipes if I can't get her cranked and I may have to spend the money on repairs. As for as the plugs being soaked is kind of a weird story and the story goes like this. I pulled the old plugs and they were extremely wet with fuel and oil (blk color) and then I put new plugs in and they looked as if they were not getting the same amount of fuel or none at all. I get off tonight at 8:00pm central time and that is the first thing I will recheck to be for sure and post the info. Brand new stator for Ricky. Carb slides are positioned correctly. Yea, I was told by a Yamaha mechanic that Banshees only needed 100psi to crank. Carb cleaning , again, will take place tomorrow because I get off at 3:00. I will not have time to clean'em tonight. Of course, I will post with results. Thx for being patient with me . I appreciate it Quote
svtkid78 Posted June 22, 2004 Report Posted June 22, 2004 You said that your carb slides are all the way bottomed out, don't remember if you have TORS on or off, and too many posts to look, but try raising your slides alittle (evenly). See what happens. Quote
Hockey390 Posted June 22, 2004 Report Posted June 22, 2004 Sounds to me like your jets are probably clogged.. A good carb cleaning using an air pump for pressure and blowing them out should do the trick.. After you clean them all out, let them sit open so they can air out. Then whipe them down good and make sure you can see through your main. blow into the place that the fuel hooks up too, if you can blow through it fuel is more then likely getting into them. Make sure to clean up the float bowls good as well.. Let us know what happens.. Mine wouldnt start for 2 years, cleaned the carbs and BAM As far as the compression and the mechanic saying it will start with 100 psi.. IMO that all depends on the machine.. Was he a mechanic for a dealership? Quote
cdcoxwell Posted June 22, 2004 Author Report Posted June 22, 2004 I agree with you Hock, it all depends on the machine. One member posted,COMPRESSION search, that his wifes shee would crank with only 95psi. They could actully crank her with their hand . If I'm lucky, I might be able to clean'em tonight, but I highly dout it . Thx Quote
BenBB Posted June 22, 2004 Report Posted June 22, 2004 OK if you're gonna pull the carbs, make certain you check the pilots as boonman said, they have a tiny passage that is easily clogged (use a real fine wire to clean them and the mains). Also take a look at the carb boots (on the reed cage side) for any cracks as J.J. suggested. When you said it idled up real high, it sounds like an air leak or obstructed jet (pilot and/or main). 110 psi isn't bad, especially if you are above sea level (at 3500' I got around 130 psi on a fresh topend), as long as it's even on both sides it should still fire up. One more thing, once you are done cleaning the carbs and kick it over about 10 times (try the choke on & off, throttle closed and open), if it doesn't start you SHOULD have some fuel on the plugs, smell 'em and see; if no fuel at all it could be clogged jets or floats stuck closed (if they are stuck closed there won't be any fuel in the bowls when you pull the carbs). Good luck and keep us posted. Quote
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