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87 banshee no spark


Ssantoni73

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New to the site and looking for help getting spark out of my banshee.  I bought it apart rebuilt top end and new seals, put engine in no spark, put in new wire harness because old one was hacked. Has new coil, cdi, timing plate stator, tors is completely unhooked.  Was reading about cleaning surface under coil and running a ground wire from coil to head stud, can someone shed a little more light on this for me please?

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Redundant grounds are never a bad idea. That being said if all else is completely up to par, the coil will work completely isolated from the frame. The clean metal to metal mount that is recommended for the coil is for heat dissipation. (I'm sure some opinions will differ)

Back to your problem...do you still have a key switch? If not has it been jumped properly? Red/black connected to Black.

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ive never understood all the extra grounds, only ground ive ever ran is from my kill switch and the coil and plugs that are grounded to begin with, tons of people I know (and read on here) don't run them and don't have any problems.  I doubt that's why ur not getting spark but what do I know

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9 hours ago, hoppedupandcutdown said:

Redundant grounds are never a bad idea. That being said if all else is completely up to par, the coil will work completely isolated from the frame. The clean metal to metal mount that is recommended for the coil is for heat dissipation. (I'm sure some opinions will differ)

Back to your problem...do you still have a key switch? If not has it been jumped properly? Red/black connected to Black.

I will check tomorrow morning. I had the right wires on the key jumped black to black/red, tried a ground wire still no spark. The stator wires match on both sides of plug... the cdi is after market... any bad reps on them? Kind of looks like a cheap make to me

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I am sure I went over proper grounding at some point.  I will just point out that regardless of if something "works", grounding is many times used for protection of circuits and humans.  Solid state circuits can get zapped by stray voltage.  I remember a very sharp engineer I worked with that did not understand why I insisted on a safety ground on an AC motor driven machine because it was working just fine.  Only 2mo later someone got a nasty shock from that machine because the wiring had made contact with ground and energized the chassis.  

 

It is never a bad idea to keep negative/neutral/ground all at the same potential.....0V

 

As to the OP question, I would first be testing the stator performance before anything else, then work forward.  As well, IIRC, the CDI only has one kill circuit in which if I remember correct, if the black/white is connected to the black, the CDI will not fire.  That should serve as a simple way to verify the CDI is in "on" mode.  This works back through the TORS, key switch, and bar switch. On later models, there is an additional "rev limit" circuit for the park brake but will still allow an idle start.  

 

Question, I have toyed at the idea of building and offering a plug-in stator/pickup coil tester since a simple ohm meter does not tell the whole story and most people do not have an oscilloscope around.  Would that be of interest to anyone?  

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15 minutes ago, blowit said:

I am sure I went over proper grounding at some point.  I will just point out that regardless of if something "works", grounding is many times used for protection of circuits and humans.  Solid state circuits can get zapped by stray voltage.  I remember a very sharp engineer I worked with that did not understand why I insisted on a safety ground on an AC motor driven machine because it was working just fine.  Only 2mo later someone got a nasty shock from that machine because the wiring had made contact with ground and energized the chassis.  

 

It is never a bad idea to keep negative/neutral/ground all at the same potential.....0V

 

As to the OP question, I would first be testing the stator performance before anything else, then work forward.  As well, IIRC, the CDI only has one kill circuit in which if I remember correct, if the black/white is connected to the black, the CDI will not fire.  That should serve as a simple way to verify the CDI is in "on" mode.  This works back through the TORS, key switch, and bar switch. On later models, there is an additional "rev limit" circuit for the park brake but will still allow an idle start.  

 

Question, I have toyed at the idea of building and offering a plug-in stator/pickup coil tester since a simple ohm meter does not tell the whole story and most people do not have an oscilloscope around.  Would that be of interest to anyone?  

Me.

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I am sure I went over proper grounding at some point.  I will just point out that regardless of if something "works", grounding is many times used for protection of circuits and humans.  Solid state circuits can get zapped by stray voltage.  I remember a very sharp engineer I worked with that did not understand why I insisted on a safety ground on an AC motor driven machine because it was working just fine.  Only 2mo later someone got a nasty shock from that machine because the wiring had made contact with ground and energized the chassis.  
 
It is never a bad idea to keep negative/neutral/ground all at the same potential.....0V
 
As to the OP question, I would first be testing the stator performance before anything else, then work forward.  As well, IIRC, the CDI only has one kill circuit in which if I remember correct, if the black/white is connected to the black, the CDI will not fire.  That should serve as a simple way to verify the CDI is in "on" mode.  This works back through the TORS, key switch, and bar switch. On later models, there is an additional "rev limit" circuit for the park brake but will still allow an idle start.  
 
Question, I have toyed at the idea of building and offering a plug-in stator/pickup coil tester since a simple ohm meter does not tell the whole story and most people do not have an oscilloscope around.  Would that be of interest to anyone?  
I would be.

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Stator resistance:
Ignition coil should be 13.7-20.5 Ohms (red to green wire)
Pickup coil should be 94-140 Ohms (white/red to white/green wire)
Lighting coil should be 0.26-0.38 Ohms (black to yellow wire)

Coil resistance:
Primary coil should be 0.28-0.38 Ohms
Secondary coil should be 4,700-7,100 Ohms

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