278 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Posted November 24, 2008 (edited) Big Red... Thats exactly who I meant in my post when I said there are a few people that do great work and are just trying to start a business, I wish I had sent my port work to him... lesson learned, thanks for the crank brandon :thumbsup:. As brandon said many people do just ride one builders stuff and think its the best. I have had 2 builders contribute to some part of my build (not including my own work) and have talked to 4 and I personally like Brandon at Wildcard Racing the best (slobanshee06) Edited November 24, 2008 by 278 Quote
bode1 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Posted November 25, 2008 You get what you pay for. It seems to be the one constant in life. Every time you cut corners you get screwed over. Do it right, and you don't have to do it over. Quote
gregrob Posted November 25, 2008 Report Posted November 25, 2008 You can get a faster turn around at some of the big builders. Money talks and bull$#!# walks That being said, quality takes time and that makes what tyler said extremely important. Not only do the bigger builders take time because they are backed up, but because they will probably spend the better part of a day or more doing YOUR cylinders. A full blown port job is light years ahead of a "cleanup" that some people like to call "porting". Big distinction there. "Porting" refers to changing the shapes, angles, timing, velocity, volume, surface finish, fluid dynamics, everything inside the cylinder. A good builder has designed their own ideal cylinder and port shape, and simply use the stock piece as a starting point to create THEIR cylinder. A cleanup does none of that, but simply improves upon what YAMAHA deemed to be best, and increase the af mixture coming in, and get the exhaust out a little quicker. Yes you will notice a difference from a cleanup, but the PORTING (good porting) is what makes the bike a pleasure to ride and allows you to be competitive in your chosen riding style. You should be able to give your builder your weight, riding style, planned mods, and budget and they should be able to spew back at you a recommended build without hesitation. What it boils down to is CALL the company / person you are thinking of using and TALK to them. I don't know about you but I can smell bs a mile away. Either they know what they are talking about or they don't. They will either have a plan and vision for what will be done with your cylinders before they ever arrive at they're shop, or they are going to dick around and "try a few things" at your expense of being a guinea pig. That being said, I can also vouch for brandon at wildcard racing. After meeting and talking to him at the mountain, not to mention seeing his stock cylinder / stock carb bike hand a few 4 mils their asses. I am extremely confident he knows what he is doing and talking about in terms of porting. He has tried many many combinations and found what works for him and what doesn't. I dont have to agree with him to know he knows quite a bit about porting and seeing his work run is even more proof. I guess the moral of the story is there is nothing wrong with giving the little guy a chance, just make sure you feel comfortable with them by getting to know them a little, and make sure they are willing to stick with you through the build to achieved your desired results. -Greg Quote
RIPPEN Posted November 25, 2008 Report Posted November 25, 2008 You can get a faster turn around at some of the big builders. Money talks and bull$#!# walks That being said, quality takes time and that makes what tyler said extremely important. Not only do the bigger builders take time because they are backed up, but because they will probably spend the better part of a day or more doing YOUR cylinders. A full blown port job is light years ahead of a "cleanup" that some people like to call "porting". Big distinction there. "Porting" refers to changing the shapes, angles, timing, velocity, volume, surface finish, fluid dynamics, everything inside the cylinder. A good builder has designed their own ideal cylinder and port shape, and simply use the stock piece as a starting point to create THEIR cylinder. A cleanup does none of that, but simply improves upon what YAMAHA deemed to be best, and increase the af mixture coming in, and get the exhaust out a little quicker. Yes you will notice a difference from a cleanup, but the PORTING (good porting) is what makes the bike a pleasure to ride and allows you to be competitive in your chosen riding style. You should be able to give your builder your weight, riding style, planned mods, and budget and they should be able to spew back at you a recommended build without hesitation. What it boils down to is CALL the company / person you are thinking of using and TALK to them. I don't know about you but I can smell bs a mile away. Either they know what they are talking about or they don't. They will either have a plan and vision for what will be done with your cylinders before they ever arrive at they're shop, or they are going to dick around and "try a few things" at your expense of being a guinea pig. That being said, I can also vouch for brandon at wildcard racing. After meeting and talking to him at the mountain, not to mention seeing his stock cylinder / stock carb bike hand a few 4 mils their asses. I am extremely confident he knows what he is doing and talking about in terms of porting. He has tried many many combinations and found what works for him and what doesn't. I dont have to agree with him to know he knows quite a bit about porting and seeing his work run is even more proof. I guess the moral of the story is there is nothing wrong with giving the little guy a chance, just make sure you feel comfortable with them by getting to know them a little, and make sure they are willing to stick with you through the build to achieved your desired results. -Greg Good post, well said.. RIPPEN Quote
BigRed350x Posted November 25, 2008 Report Posted November 25, 2008 You can get a faster turn around at some of the big builders. Money talks and bull$#!# walks That being said, quality takes time and that makes what tyler said extremely important. Not only do the bigger builders take time because they are backed up, but because they will probably spend the better part of a day or more doing YOUR cylinders. A full blown port job is light years ahead of a "cleanup" that some people like to call "porting". Big distinction there. "Porting" refers to changing the shapes, angles, timing, velocity, volume, surface finish, fluid dynamics, everything inside the cylinder. A good builder has designed their own ideal cylinder and port shape, and simply use the stock piece as a starting point to create THEIR cylinder. A cleanup does none of that, but simply improves upon what YAMAHA deemed to be best, and increase the af mixture coming in, and get the exhaust out a little quicker. Yes you will notice a difference from a cleanup, but the PORTING (good porting) is what makes the bike a pleasure to ride and allows you to be competitive in your chosen riding style. You should be able to give your builder your weight, riding style, planned mods, and budget and they should be able to spew back at you a recommended build without hesitation. What it boils down to is CALL the company / person you are thinking of using and TALK to them. I don't know about you but I can smell bs a mile away. Either they know what they are talking about or they don't. They will either have a plan and vision for what will be done with your cylinders before they ever arrive at they're shop, or they are going to dick around and "try a few things" at your expense of being a guinea pig. That being said, I can also vouch for brandon at wildcard racing. After meeting and talking to him at the mountain, not to mention seeing his stock cylinder / stock carb bike hand a few 4 mils their asses. I am extremely confident he knows what he is doing and talking about in terms of porting. He has tried many many combinations and found what works for him and what doesn't. I dont have to agree with him to know he knows quite a bit about porting and seeing his work run is even more proof. I guess the moral of the story is there is nothing wrong with giving the little guy a chance, just make sure you feel comfortable with them by getting to know them a little, and make sure they are willing to stick with you through the build to achieved your desired results. -Greg Look at you go... all professional and shit. haha! Good post for sure. Quote
kawiking Posted November 25, 2008 Report Posted November 25, 2008 You can get a faster turn around at some of the big builders. Money talks and bull$#!# walks That being said, quality takes time and that makes what tyler said extremely important. Not only do the bigger builders take time because they are backed up, but because they will probably spend the better part of a day or more doing YOUR cylinders. A full blown port job is light years ahead of a "cleanup" that some people like to call "porting". Big distinction there. "Porting" refers to changing the shapes, angles, timing, velocity, volume, surface finish, fluid dynamics, everything inside the cylinder. A good builder has designed their own ideal cylinder and port shape, and simply use the stock piece as a starting point to create THEIR cylinder. A cleanup does none of that, but simply improves upon what YAMAHA deemed to be best, and increase the af mixture coming in, and get the exhaust out a little quicker. Yes you will notice a difference from a cleanup, but the PORTING (good porting) is what makes the bike a pleasure to ride and allows you to be competitive in your chosen riding style. You should be able to give your builder your weight, riding style, planned mods, and budget and they should be able to spew back at you a recommended build without hesitation. What it boils down to is CALL the company / person you are thinking of using and TALK to them. I don't know about you but I can smell bs a mile away. Either they know what they are talking about or they don't. They will either have a plan and vision for what will be done with your cylinders before they ever arrive at they're shop, or they are going to dick around and "try a few things" at your expense of being a guinea pig. That being said, I can also vouch for brandon at wildcard racing. After meeting and talking to him at the mountain, not to mention seeing his stock cylinder / stock carb bike hand a few 4 mils their asses. I am extremely confident he knows what he is doing and talking about in terms of porting. He has tried many many combinations and found what works for him and what doesn't. I dont have to agree with him to know he knows quite a bit about porting and seeing his work run is even more proof. I guess the moral of the story is there is nothing wrong with giving the little guy a chance, just make sure you feel comfortable with them by getting to know them a little, and make sure they are willing to stick with you through the build to achieved your desired results. -Greg nice post i agree.. i spent 350 on a drag port from a local guy on my stck cylns... looked like a clean up port.. so i went with a rep builder for my cubs Quote
dajogejr Posted November 25, 2008 Report Posted November 25, 2008 (edited) ah the flotek method What...flotek start copying 370 work? Go back to your site.... Give it up Speedy...that horse is dead and you're not gonna gain anything by TRYING to shit in my backyard son.... I'm going to play devils advocate here, so hear me out. How many of our members would have heard of Jeff @ FAST, Kevin @ HJR or Jim @ Passion if it wasn't for HQ? Answer...95%. If not more.... Cause where were they? Small shops...with little or no exposure like they got on HQ. Does that make them any more or less? No. I certainly do not advocate the cheapest port job. But there are dozens of local builders you may or may not have heard of that will do fine work on your cylinders. Are these guys top of the food chain like A&S, K&T, RDZ, Packard? No. Do they win races locally....yep, sure they do. What we all have to realize is this.... Do you need a top builder who has records at the track to do your motor if you just want a little more power to have fun with at your locale? No. Unless you are competitively racing sand, pavement, TT, etc., you don't need a top builder in my opinion. I guess my point is this.... If you want to find out who the favorite builder is of each and every person on the forum, ask the question of who is the best builder. (Or better yet, use the search function....) But there are tonz of other shops out there that do fine work that many haven't heard of. Don't discredit them because they're not "HQ Approved"...but cheaper is not better. I can certainly appreciate what Loco is saying...all I'm saying is make the phone calls and weigh your options. Porting a motor is not rocket science. Math AND experience is involved....plenty out there have both. My motor/bike is a proven reliable and good running combo. Not the fastest, but it holds it's own for what it is. It will be in a not so well known shop in the next few months. And I am confident I will be very pleased with the results... The right builder will ask questions and actually listen to your answers, rather than just keep talkin himself and his work up. Gregrob, gay as he is...has some good points. (J/K) Call around, see what works...at the very least, see what is running at your locale...make the choice. Edited November 25, 2008 by dajogejr Quote
Hilarious Posted November 25, 2008 Report Posted November 25, 2008 so who has the cheapest port job and quickest turn around time? Quote
dajogejr Posted November 25, 2008 Report Posted November 25, 2008 so who has the cheapest port job and quickest turn around time? I do... LOL Quote
dajogejr Posted November 25, 2008 Report Posted November 25, 2008 dave you can eat a dick.. i never said anything about chris, but i've seen the hacks that flotek has done firsthand Of course you didn't say anything about Chris...you are too busy minding his "step children" as you were blowing him. The last time you guys ran your mouth you got called out and look(ed) like fools. I'm not about to rehash that.... You took a shot, I gave one back. Get over it.... Quote
GASSRX Posted November 26, 2008 Report Posted November 26, 2008 cutting corner will cause big probs.. there is a alot to porting a set of shee cylinders... i would be more than happy to port your jugs for u.. i know i'm not on here much but im on a few other sites as sponcors.. we biuld sum of the fastest machines around for a good price .. choice wisely cuz there are alot of ways to mess them up vs get them right it takes alot of time and effort to port them correctly.. measuring , flow testing all come in to play will porting.. making pipes carbs reeds the squish ban on the head.. timing.. gassrx.com Quote
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