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I would like to visit this with much more detail but I'm going on vacation today and don't have the time. At this point all I can say is that I have not only read the More Than a Carpenter book but painstakingly studied all the scriptures quoted in it. And I found 1 flaw. None of the scriptures match up with the philosophy put forward by the author. If you read the bible from cover to cover you will find that there is no mention of a Trinity, a God Head, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. And completely missing is the concept that God would pour out his rage on anyone except those who are the most vile willful sinners {certainly NEVER his son}. In fact you will see that Jesus NEVER put himself on an equal basis with his father and ALWAYS explained that he was inferior to his father. You will find that Jesus was created, Jesus learned things like obedience, and that he DIED a complete death just like any other human. ALL of these are impossible for God. You will also find that the Holy Spirit does not have a life. The Holy Spirit is God's energy, or active force. It is God's remote control he uses to influence his creation. You will also find that the soul is NOT a living thing by itself but it the life force in living things. The soul dies because the person dies. Animals are souls the same as people are souls. Souls eat, souls have cravings, souls sin, and souls die. You will also find that God has no desire to punish people for all eternity even if they sin against him because the "wages sin pays is death" and the dead can do nothing. They simply cease to exist. I have gone toe to toe with religious leaders of many churches who promote these ideals and the most they have ever been able to say in return is WOW you know the bible. I even sent a letter to the prominant pastor who gave me that book and showed him where the book was in error. I even went to a theological college to buy reference books to show the meanings of the original greek words and prove that Jesus is not God. I presented all of this to him for his consideration. His reply... you sure do know the bible and you made a couple typing errors. You don't even need to be religious to know that the Trinity was a concept that none of the bible charcters knew anything about, it is not mentioned in the bible or proven by the bible and that this concept along with a hell of burning torture were developed by the Catholics to maintain their grip on the uneducated people they were oppressing. Any good encyclopedia will tell you that. I may try to add to this while I'm on vacation but if I don't I will when I get back. In the mean time, if anyone is in the Tucson area, let me know and maybe we can do some riding or something. I'm officially on vacation

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So in your first reply are you saying that people had to call on the name of Jesus to be saved even though Jesus had not come to the earth yet? How can you say this scripture means anything other than exactly what it says... (Acts 24:14-15) . . . But I do admit this to you, that, according to the way that they call a 'sect,' in this manner I am rendering sacred service to the God of my forefathers, as I believe all the things set forth in the Law and written in the Prophets; 15 and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. italics added He is obviously drawing on the similarity in thoughts between them but he also says that there will be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous. Who are the unrighteous then? Right there in verses 12 & 13 which you skipped over... (Revelation 20:11-13) . . .. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha

Again, I never said that I would receive more mercy. God decides who to extend mercy not me. You have also not proven that I should vote and you have not shown that being involved in the Holidays is in any way shape or form approved by God. I think I finally understand. When God has "delivered" someone, they are saved. Like when the Israelites called out to God for deliverance and were delivered from egypt. Like Exodus 18 which says repeatedly that they were delivered. Right? What is Hosians?And what is the point you are trying to make with these other verses...? Romans 2:24 and 3:10.

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I never said that nor did I imply that. Heaven is NOT on earth.What I said was exactly what the bible says... souls are living things. We are souls while we are alive and we are a dead soul when we are dead. There is no floaty thing that lives on after we die. The bible shows that souls live, eat, sin and die and animals are souls just like humans are souls. Doesn't exactly sound like a thing that lives forever while it's being burned or tortured. And since you have made up your mind as to what the bible says instead of looking to the bible to actually find out what it says, you are happy with the result. Heaven is not a collective consciousness of love. Where did you find that in the bible? Are you also saying that God resides in the collective consciousness of humans? Are you saying that since heaven only exists in our minds then maybe God only exists in our minds too? I never answered it because it is a ridiculous statement that I never made. A sin is a sin regardless of who is doing it. My sin, your sin, it doesn't matter. All sin is wrong no matter who is doing it. So are you saying that as long as you are "saved", even if you do turn your back on God he will still reward you. Or are you saying that God does punish those who are saved if they go back to a life of sin?You quoted scriptures but it doesn't say that the person who is saved is saved forever. Joel says the person will be delivered. Is being delivered the same as being saved? Genesis says that believing in the lord is righteousness but is righteousness the same as being saved? Romans says that Abraham believed in God and it was righteousness but the demons also believe in God are they righteous too? Are the demons saved? Habakuk and Galatians both say you need to live by faith, implying that it is a life long journey and not some sort of achievement. If you live a life of crime does that mean you stole some candy from the store once when you were a kid because you felt deep in your heart you needed it? Does that make you a life-long criminal? See the difference? Living by faith is not something you do once. It is a life-long goal you work at every day. There are no passages in the bible that I am aware of that show that once a person has expressed faith in Jesus that they are at that point and for all time to come saved from the negative effects of willfully disobeying god's laws. Even Satan was an angel who turned bad, is he saved too? How could he not know and accept Jesus as the only way for humans to gain God's blessing? Is he too stupid to read? And what about those who never had a chance to know anything about jesus their whole life and died of old age not knowing about him? Are they burning in hell now? Does God torture people for not knowing any better? Maybe you should get out your bible and actually look up some of this stuff.

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First of all ,God who embodies love, is exactly opposite of the devil. So, unlike the devil, god has surprisingly enough, put retrictions on himself so that it is impossible for him to do things that go against his standards for justice. So it is impossible for god to lie {Heb 6:18}, impossible for god to test humans with evil things or wickedness {James 1:13}, it is impossible for God to learn anything since he is the author of all knowledge, it is impossible for god to die since he is everlasting and the source of all power and it is impossible for god to act against his standards that he has set for himself because it would be dishonest. When god puts a command on people that he expects them to obey, he warns them over and over again so that they cannot accuse god of acting contradictory to his own righteousness like satan has done pretty much from the very beginning. God has given us a free will so that we can decide to obey or not. God has no intention of torturing humans for sin. This is brought out in the laws he provided for his people. You have heard an eye for an eye. The punishment was to meet the crime. So the bible tells us that...(Romans 6:23) 23 For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord. This shows that god does not punish beyond the crime. It is all right here in a nut shell. Only God can give life because his son paid for what Adam threw away and the only price god expects for a life of sin, is death. Simple non existance. The bible further explains that the "soul" is not some etherial thing that floats around and lives on after death, it shows that the soul that sins, will die, that even animals are souls, and since we are all sinners, we will come to non-existance at death just like the animals. {Lev 24:1-18, Pr 12:10, Rev 16:3 (Ezekiel 18:4) 4 Look! All the souls-to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son-to me they belong. The soul that is sinning-it itself will die. The doctrine of an everlasting soul is the result of corruption by early church leaders who wanted to confuse people about what comes after death. By saying that a persons soul lives on, religious leaders could keep unknowledgable parishoners paying for intercessory prayers on behalf of people who were supposedly condemned to hell {also a made up place of torture}. When people who have never had a chance to know god finally die, they don't know who jesus is so how could they call out to him for salvation? Look at brooke's brother who was far too sick to learn about God or what Jesus stood for. Should god send him to be tortured some more... for all eternity because he was sickly? NO!!! The bible explains that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. (Acts 24:15) 15 and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. Since there is no reason for God to second guess his own judgements against the wicked, the unrighteous are those who in ignorance were unrighteous. God will not bring the willfully sinful back to life {like those from the flood or sodom and gomorrah or any other judgement that he called down on people himself} just to sentence them to death again, remember the wages sin pays is death. So these dead "unrighteous" ones who never had the chance to know god will get the same chance that Adam had and that we all have, the chance to decide for themselves if they want to serve god after they know what that involves. And only those who decide to serve god will gain entry... (Galatians 5:19-21) 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, 20 idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects, 21 envies, drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these. As to these things I am forewarning YOU, the same way as I did forewarn YOU, that those who practice such things will not inherit God's kingdom. The righteous that will be resurrected will be those who lived a life of faith but who died before god judges the world. {Matt 25:31-46} Every resurrected human and those who live thru the end of this world, will be given a final chance to prove their loyalty to god. {Rev ch 20} After this time Satan and all those who have no love for god will be destroyed. The rest will be given what Adam and Eve threw away when they disobeyed. Perfect, endless life on the earth, with supervision from heaven. So for those who like alot of drama, there really isn't any. You do wrong, you die. You do right, you get the rewards. No torture, no last minute choices, no floating souls. Ps 37:10-11,29 A relationship with god is based on the same pricipals as a good relationship with a human. Constant, open, communication, the desire to be pleasing to the other person more than you please yourself, and never giving the other person a reason to doubt your motives or call into question your actions. So we not only need to have an understanding of who Jesus is, but what he stands for and we need to not just accept his love but demonstrate our love in return. Just like Jesus did...(1 John 2:3-6) 3 And by this we have the knowledge that we have come to know him, namely, if we continue observing his commandments. 4 He that says: "I have come to know him," and yet is not observing his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in this [person]. 5 But whoever does observe his word, truthfully in this [person] the love of God has been made perfect. By this we have the knowledge that we are in union with him. 6 He that says he remains in union with him is under obligation himself also to go on walking just as that one walked. italics added. I'd be happy to enlarge on any of this but I thought I would keep this post to less than 6000 words OK maybe under 8000 words

I never said that you were a drug addict and I don't believe in Hell. {both things I explained in the last post we had}. I think most of the passionate arguments we have had are more due to personality conflicts than anything else. I never knew you made the sacrifices you made on your brother's behalf but I'm not surprised that you would do such a thing. And I'm not surprised that you want a stable hetero relationship that lasts the rest of your life. One thing you should understand is that God doesn't force people to obey him and he certainly doesn't give even the worst people {which you are not} the option of endless torture or complete bliss in heaven. God gives people the option to obey or not. They will still live out their lives. In the end though a life without God ends at death. A life in God's service can continue on forever. And it's not a life of endless death and misery, it's the life that he established for humans back in the garden of Eden... perfect surroundings, with all of your necessities cared for and all of your best friends right there with you. The thing is, to protect the innocent, god doesn't just let just anyone in there. Only those who love him and all he stands for gain this reward. His rules are simple enough for anyone at any time in history to follow. And he does not bend the rules or show favoritism. Some people seem to get away with things that god hates and also seem to get the benefits from those wrong actions. I liken this to drunk driving. The law in Illinois is .08 and I know plenty of people who have driven for years drunk as a skunk. They never get caught. Just because they don't get called on the wrong doesn't mean the law is not real and just because they get away with it doesn't make it right. And when they get a safe driving citation, it doesn't mean they are driving safely. All it means is they never got caught. God on the other hand can read a persons innermost feelings and see what kind of person they are. If these drunks work at a shelter for homeless children, it still doesn't make their drunk driving right and there is no amount of sacrifice they could make to "make up" for someone they killed while driving drunk. So those who know gods laws and still continue to break them because they enjoy doing it, will not gain god's blessing. Those who truly don't know the difference will be given a chance. None of these verses say or even imply that they are one and the same. One of the difficulties people have with the Trinity concept is that as you stated, "It makes no sense to me". And yet people are happy to dedicate themselves to a religious philosophy that is not supported in by the bible at all. If there is ever a passage in the bible you don't understand, and it is a doctrinal issue, then there is something wrong with it. God had the bible written for everyone, the uneducated as well as the well educated. And all doctinal matters need to be understood before a person can truly devote themselves to it. God doesn't want people to be robots who jump into a relationship with him just for the benefits. He wants people who decide for themselves that this is the way they want to live the rest of eternity. And for this reason, the entire bible is for our benefit and only by having a complete knowledge of gods purpose for mankind can a person gain it's benefits. 2Tim 3:16-17, John 8:31-32. This is one scripture that many use to support the trinity... (Colossians 1:15) 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; But if you research the actual meanings of the underlined words, you will see that it completely disproves the entire concept.

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God sets the standard {I've said that probably a million times} God tells us what to do and how to do it. If you don't know his standards, then don't blame me for following them. Since there is no chance that what I say or believe will be the same as what you believe, why don't you lay out your opinion and the scritures to support your opinion and I'll see if I agree. And we might as well address Hell while we're at it. Where did this definition come from? Amen brother AMEN

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All I can say is that if you look at the whole bible, you will see that those who have not lived a life of faithful service until they died, were not rewarded in any way by God. You need faith AND works that God aproves of to be saved. Since you have forsaken God with your practices, he will have no option to forsake you because he does not have a double standard. Cowards don't stand up for what the truth, they remain silent. In fact the punishment for being a coward is the same as the punishment for being a fornicator... (Revelation 21:8) 8 But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and fornicators and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur. This means the second death." This right here is the most significant part of this whole debate... Millions of people who have never read the bible, never observed someone who truly lives by it's standards, and couldn't care less about what the bible says, or being a servant to anything but the desire they have at that moment, make up all kinds of ideas about what they "believe god wants us to be". The fact is, you have no idea what god wants you to be because you never listened to what he has to say. Some here feel that god wants us to be happy at all times. This is true except when it that happiness comes from doing something against his explicit instructions. The people of Sodom and Gomorrah were obviously happy until god destroyed them all. The people in Noah's day were obviously happy, until god destroyed them all. Millions of people today are doing things that make them happy, the same things that people in Noah's day and in Sodom and Gomorrah did, and they somehow think that since god wants them to be happy, they will not be destroyed just like the thousands of others thru-out history who ignored god's commands. God's standards have not changed from day 1 down to this very moment. And to think that god has now somehow relaxed his standards is naive at best and criminal at most. Sure chocolates are fun and who doesn't love little bunnies and chicks? Who doesn't love getting together with their friends and family after being apart for a long time? And who doesn't love gifts? Sure I love all that stuff too. But if there is any hint of something that is involved with any of those things that god does not approve of, I will not be involved. My relationship with god is not based on the liberties that "I think" I can allow myself. My relationship is based on a complete, life long, dedication to him and his purposes. I want to show him that I am his obedient servant and not someone who is attached in name only. I will not presume that my actions are approved by god, I choose to know what god approves of. I will not step beyond the clear examples in the bible and then say that "I think" god wants this or that. My life and the lives of those who observe me are on the line. It's not worth it to leave it up to guesswork.

So let me get this straight... God, who is the personification of love, kills people for centuries for disobeying his commandments and then he sends his son {many will incorrectly argue he went himself} to earth to be tortured to death so that people who sin can live a long life of disobedience and just before they die, he gives them the option of being tortured forever by his buddy the devil OR they can come and live with him in heaven in complete happiness forever. All they need to do is completely believe that Jesus died and they accept that as fact. This throws the entire life of Jesus and all of the lives of FAITHFUL mankind out the window. Afterall, all you really need to do say the magic word and get all the benefits of living a righteous life while being able to sin like the devil your whole life.

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