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Get over it man. This site is not here just for you. If the content of this posting was so offensive that it needs to be in the roosting room, it would have been there a month ago.

It's more like drooling bibles 04 walks around the house dropping the bible thinking that god is trying to give him a message and all it really shows is he's clumsy or he's got too much butter on his hands No wonder the cover is all chewed up He has yet to answer a single thing and has instead insisted on making random quotations that have no association what so ever with the issues presented.

Which of the following issues did that scripture resolve Raca? Or did you drop the bible again?

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So you continue to blather on about how blind I am yet you have not found a single scripture to quote on any of the above issues. You have not even found a website you can copy and paste that has scriptures in it. Instead you rely on dropping the bible on the table and seeing what page it turns to or hate websites. Don't your legs get sore from all the dancing? AMEN Since we have digressed to accusing each other, here is your problem in a nutshell... Hebrews 5:11-14... 11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. And again but in English... (Hebrews 5:11-14) 11 Concerning him we have much to say and hard to be explained, since YOU have become dull in YOUR hearing. 12 For, indeed, although YOU ought to be teachers in view of the time, YOU again need someone to teach YOU from the beginning the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God; and YOU have become such as need milk, not solid food. 13 For everyone that partakes of milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong. Why don't you do this... Instead of presuptuously thinking you can handle this conversation which is WELL beyond your comprehension, print out the 40 days worth of stuff we wrote down here and take it to your Pastor or Reverand or Minister and have him {or her} read it all and give you some actual scriptures to back up the nonsense you are randomly discovering and then get back to me. You can email them to me so the rest of the HQ family doesn't have to suffer with your split personality disorder and give someone like rj a fighting chance to get a word in edgewise. I don't agree with rj on several matters but I perceive that he has a FAAARRRRR better knowledge of the actual bible than you ever will. And he doesn't have that ignorant "my pastor told me it so it must be so" attitude like you do. I can tell that rj actually searched for the knowledge he has and didn't just hope the bible flopped open to the right page. BTW did you ever look up Psalm 83:18 in your perfect bible yet? Or have you figured out what a publican is yet? Perhaps you are "Raca" and will never know

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WOW! For a guy who says he only wants to talk about God and not religion, you sure can do some deep research on religion. It's too bad you haven't put a fraction of that effort into learning about God This right here proves the kind of person you and the teachers of your religion are... But if you look at your God given "the only real bible" King James bible version, you will see what I already quoted... you would see that your own bible uses the name Jehovah for the one and only almighty God.The more you talk the more I find that you have either split personalities or you are so obsessed with thinking you are right that you will stop at nothing to make yourself look right. You have flamed anyone who doesn't believe in a Hell of torture, a Trinitarian God, and a once and for all time salvation but you have yet to crack open the bible and show us where you got all that nonsense. I would also like to point out that the information you quoted was wrong. I checked out the Wathtower.org website and it says there are 6,513,132 Jehovahs witnesses not 4 million. Here's the link... Total numbers link And ironically there is also an interesting article about death... DEATH link In fact I'm kinda glad you talked so much about Jehovahs witnesses. I actually found a tab that explains what they believe. They even have scriptures to back it all up... Beliefs link I'm surprised you don't have a link to something with scriptures in it to support your beliefs. All you have is links to articles AGAINST people who think differently than you. A kind of mutual admiration society of people who don't need the actual bible. So are you going to start on the Mormons next? Maybe Jews? Hindus? Tribal religions? New Age beliefs? So far you have demonstrated your anger and hatred against those who can, from your own translation of the bible, prove that your beliefs do not mesh with the bible. It's infortunate that all you have to show to your fellow man from the bible is that "I'm saved and if you don't become just like me God will burn you forever". Way to go man. But that's really all you know. You have already shared everything you have been told about God. He is spiteful, hateful, and ready to punish for all eternity anyone who does not obey. You focus not on the life that is offered but the endless torture you have dreamed up. So maybe you can explain to me again where it says in the bible... What it feels like to be saved? How God is 3 in 1 when the whole bible says that Jesus is lower than God? I could add to this too... Why does the bible say that to sin against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable but a sin against the son IS forgivable? Mt 12:31,32... 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Why God who is Love would feel the need to torture sinners forever? Why you say that Jesus was hung on a cross which history has shown was not the case. In fact your King James bible says he was hung on a tree... Acts 5:30 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. If you were honest with yourself, you would see your beliefs are not supported by the bible. And for this reason, when you get to a place where you can't just "Amen" things away, you have to resort to hate pages and try to dig up stuff from the 1800's to try to divert attention from the real problem... you have no idea what you are talking about. BTW nice shee. Do the flames remind you that you are "saved" from hell? j/k

That's an interesting read. Well it shows you are capable of research but like most people in your frame of mind, you would rather go outside the bible to find something that fits your pre-conceived ideas of hatred instead of actually looking into the bible. You quoted a website that bashes Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses. WOW that's some deep learning there. What you did accomplish though is another dance routine. After all this, you still didn't answer any of my questions with the bible. Don't you see a problem with that? Second of all, you have missed the mark again because I have told you time and time again that the only way to be saved is thru the grace. But since you would rather look up negative things on the internet to feed your obvious hatred for people who don't agree with you, let me educate you from the bible. The word grace comes from the greek word charis. This excerpt if found in Strong's Concordance which gives an explanation of each word in the original Greek or Hebrew and gives humble people the chance to actually understand what the bible is saying... 5485 - charis (khar'-ece) : from 5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude):--acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace(- ious), joy, liberality, pleasure, thank(-s, -worthy). This shows, as I have said a million times, that salvation is a gift from God that CANNOT be earned. A gift is FREE. A wage is EARNED. No matter what we do, we cannot earn salvation. But to show God that we appreciate and have faith in {remember faith = hope} his gift, we should do all we can to obey him even in the smallest aspects of life. 2nd, the bible says that Jesus is a God... Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. There is NO denying that, because there it is in writing. Notice here which word is rendered "God"... 6 For'H3588 unto us a child'H3206 is born,'H3205 unto us a son'H1121 is given:'H5414 and the government'H4951 shall be upon'H5921 his shoulder:'H7926 and his name'H8034 shall be'H1961 called'H7121 Wonderful,'H6382 Counselor,'H3289 The mighty'H1368 God,'H410 The everlasting'H5703 Father,'H1 The Prince'H8269 of Peace.'H7965 That means... 410 - el (ale) : shortened from 352; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity):--God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in "-el." So the word can mean Almighty God or any other diety. In fact if you are concerned enough about your beliefs to actually learn from the bible, you will see in the CONTEXT of these scriptures that the english language does not express the kind of subtlety that the original Hebrew has. We use the word "god" or "God" to mean many things but the Hebrew expresses the difference between Almighty God and a god. DEUTERONOMY 7:9 Know{H3045} therefore that{H3588} the LORD{H3068} thy God,{H430} he{H1931} [is] God,{H430} the faithful{H539} God,{H410} which keepeth{H8104} covenant{H1285} and mercy{H2617} with them that love{H157} him and keep{H8104} his commandments{H4687} to a thousand{H505} generations;{H1755} DEUTERONOMY 7:21 Thou shalt not{H3808} be frightened{H6206} at{H4480, 6440} them: for{H3588} the LORD{H3068} thy God{H430} [is] among{H7130} you, a mighty{H1419} God{H410} and terrible.{H3372} DEUTERONOMY 10:17 For{H3588} the LORD{H3068} your God{H430} [is] God{H430} of gods,{H430} and Lord{H113} of lords,{H113} a great{H1419} God,{H410} a mighty,{H1368} and a terrible,{H3372} which{H834} regardeth{H5375} not{H3808} persons,{H6440} nor{H3808} taketh{H3947} reward:{H7810} Notice that the word "god" has both H430 and H410 next to it in each scripture. If you pay attention to the CONTEXT, you will see why there is a difference. H410 is a General god. Like saying Jimi Hendrix was a god. Obviously he was not almighty God. He was a god of what he did and what he stood for. He was above all the others but still well below the real and actual God of all things. The definition of H430 is... 430 - elohiym (el-o-heem) : plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:--angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty. Even this does not make an entry that relates to H430 a reference to the one and only almighty God. The King James version explains who the true God is... Psalm 83... 16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD. 17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. I'm sure you didn't know your own bible uses the real name of god. Anyway as you can see the name Jehovah and LORD in all caps are the same word, H3068... 16 Fill'H4390 their faces'H6440 with shame;'H7036 that they may seek'H1245 thy name,'H8034 O LORD.'H3068 17 Let them be confounded'H954 and troubled'H926 forever;'H5704, 5703 yea, let them be put to shame,'H2659 and perish:'H6 18 That men may know'H3045 that'H3588 thou,'H859 whose name'H8034 alone'H905 is JEHOVAH,'H3068 art the most high'H5945 over'H5921 all'H3605 the earth.'H776 So when you do get around to cracking the bible open, make sure you understand that when the LORD is in all caps, it means the one and only God. When it is Lord capitalized, it is Jesus. You could have learned this if you read the preface or the appendix of the King James bible that you claim to know so much about. The resurrection is also a proven fact... Acts 10:... 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. If Jesus did not die a complete death like any other human and get a complete resurrection to heaven, then the entire bible is a waste of paper. The whole bible stands on the FACT of the resurrection and without it, the bible is nothing. So you can continue to believe in whatever God you want to believe in. But know this, the God you support is a hateful, deceitful, malicious god that works against everything that the loving creator stands for. And just because you found some hate based website against Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses, doesn't make it right. Everyone knows that you can find hate based websites on anything. And for the sake of equal billing, here are links to the official websites of both religions so people with open minds can decide for themselves... WWW.Mormon.org , WWW.Watchtower.org

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Another one of your random scriptures or are you trying to make another unfounded baseless points?

(2 Corinthians 11:12-20) 12 Now what I am doing I will still do, that I may cut off the pretext from those who are wanting a pretext for being found equal to us in the office of which they boast. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works. 16 I say again, Let no man think I am unreasonable. Still, if YOU really do, accept me even if as unreasonable, that I too may do some little boasting. 17 What I speak I speak, not after the Lord's example, but as in unreasonableness, in this cocksureness peculiar to boasting. 18 Since many are boasting according to the flesh, I too will boast. 19 For YOU gladly put up with the unreasonable persons, seeing YOU are reasonable. 20 In fact, YOU put up with whoever enslaves YOU, whoever devours [what YOU have], whoever grabs [what YOU have], whoever exalts himself over [YOU], whoever strikes YOU in the face. Maybe one day there will be a celebration where it'll be ok to pee on fallen soldiers graves. What a great day of respect that will be. Until then you can go to your pagan festival and think it's OK. Afterall it's not about what God wants, it's all about what you "believe" God wants.

04... You really don't know the answers do you??? I'll give a summary of what you don't know... jot, tittle, Raca, publican. These words obviously mean something to you but you have no idea what they mean. You still have not explained why rj's version of the bible is OK when it is not the only true translation that God somehow revealed to King James. And co-incidentally the one you use. You still have not explained where you came up with the daffy idea that as long as you have faith {remember faith = hope} you no longer need to do anything else but wait to go to heaven. You still have not explained how God, who is love, somehow feels the necessity to torture the disobedient for all eternity. You have still not found a single solitary scripture or even a hint of a scripture that explains what it feels like to be saved. Instead you say you will feel it in your heart, which has been proven to be treacherous and deceitful. You have still not explained how maniacs who claim to be saved and have gone on to murder, rape and pillage are still in God's favor. You have even implied that such psycos have been selected by God to carry out these demonic activities. You have blamed me for relying on the law of Moses and then in the next breath you have condemned me by the same laws of Moses you say were done away with. You have time and again said that only God knows if someone is repentant and at the same time you have decided that I am not repentant. You have even gone so far as to claim that Jesus is in you. Making yourself equal with God. Are you now denying that you have put yourself in God's throne of judgement? Are you still denying that a persons actions say what they are? You have 2 stepped, side stepped and danced around every accusation you have made and all because you have not read the bible you claim to be so fond of. And because you have rendered your God given conscience useless, because you are too afraid to actually do and live by God's commands, your actions convict you. You have repeatedly taken the seat of judgement and condemend me and anyone else who may agree with what the bible says, to your imaginary pit of fire. The split personality of your demonic god has no foundation even in the least in the bible. And it doesn't matter which translation you use, you will not find the vindictive, hateful, vengeful, wicked and yet pushover God you worship. The God you claim to worship exists only in the imaginations of the hypocrites who stand in front of your church and threaten you with endless torture while they rape your children in the basement and demand 1/10 of your wages to support their lazy butts while they drive around in luxury cars and go to remote properties they extorted from those who don't know enough to make sure that what they are hearing makes sense. So the pearls of biblical wisdom have been wasted on you. You have adopted and promoted the teachings of Satan who wants nothing more than to pervert who God really is and what people NEED to do to gain salvation. Your unscriptural view of God... that he is a raging demon who wants to torture people and who at the same time thinks so little of his own standards that he forgives and rewards anyone who has an emotional experience yet continues to ignore his laws, is accomplishing the Devils purposes quite well. And here is why you don't understand... (John 8:42-47) 42 Jesus said to them: "If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth. 43 Why is it YOU do not know what I am speaking? Because YOU cannot listen to my word. 44 YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie]. 45 Because I, on the other hand, tell the truth, YOU do not believe me. 46 Who of YOU convicts me of sin? If I speak truth, why is it YOU do not believe me? 47 He that is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why YOU do not listen, because YOU are not from God." So while you sit there and profess to be one with Jesus, you spit in his face and on everything he did when he was on earth. And in spite of all that, you will never burn or be tortured in your imaginary hell. You will live, believe what you want, and have faith in that wild imagination of yours, and when you die, you'll be dead. And it will be God's decision if he wants you after that. And since you have now signed off from this posting, I am happy to be able to finally be able to bring anyone who has ANY questions about God, salvation, eternity or ANYTHING else in the bible, to the bible where the answers to ALL of mankinds problems are.

04, you just told me the Mosaic Law is no longer valid and then you quote the Mosaic Law to me and tell me I'm being deceitful. You quote random scriptures that have nothing to do with the subject and then you put an AMEN at the end like that somehow makes it apply. You are like those TV preachers why wave the bible and scream and rant but who never teach anything and have no idea what they are talking about. I'll demonstrate... what is a "publican"? What is a "jot or one tittle" and "Raca"? Mt 5:18, 22 post 199. And once you're done with that, tell me why you are hassling me about my beliefs when I am saved just like you are. How is it you think that you know whether I'm saved or not when it is God who does the saving. And when you're done with that, maybe you can address these simple questions... #1 You say my bible is wrong but you never criticize rj's translation. #2 You say the bible is important and you should live by it but the only important part is the "your saved" part. #3 You say that God loves everyone even those who sin but then he tortures them for ever. You admitted {as I recall} that faith wothout works is dead but somehow you say that faith without works is not only OK but works are only to be done as an example. But Jesus himself said that you must show the same powerful works if you will have faith... John 14:12,21... 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. #4 I'm also wondering where you guys get the idea what being saved is like. Is there some scripture that says you will have some deep emotional feeling when you're saved? The only thing I can find is that the one who endures to the end will be saved. Which end do you think that is? #5 It is a well known fact that Hitler accepted who and what he was and accepted what Christ did and yet he murdered, raped and pillaged millions of people and negatively effected the entire world. DOES all of his horror mean nothing if he had that same emotional rush you guys had when you were "saved"? OK everyone now let's watch 04 dance around the issues again. Oh yeah I forgot to say... AMEN.

So is that your final answer to these questions...

OK rj, now your turn... It seems you and 04le are parting ways on how a person should live once they have dedicated themselves to God. You seem to be agreeing that works are necessary and not just an excessory. Again, a person who loves someone enough to be dedicated to them, doesn't have a problem making every effort to make them happy. Our works should be motivated by love for God and not a manditory set of procedures to be carried out. In this too a person who wants to know what pleases God would immitate the person who God was most pleased with, Jesus Christ. So to show God we love him, a Christian will do everything in his power to immitate Jesus in all things. And when we fail to be pleasing to God because of some opportunity that was missed, God will not destroy us. He knows we are weak and imperfect. However, as you mentioned, a person who professes to have dedicated themselves to God yet never does any works to demonstrate that love and remains the same as the world that ignores God, will lose Gods favor and ultimately be destroyed... (1 John 2:15-17) 15 Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world-the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one's means of life-does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever. As you mentioned, even going to church all the time and giving to the poor is not a guarantee that you will be rewarded... (Matthew 15:7-9) . . . 8 'This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.'" (Matthew 7:21-23) 21 "Not everyone saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?' 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness. A person must know who God is and who his son is and what part they each have in God's arrangement. You are right that it is the one who endures to the end of the tribulation spoken of in Revelation, or of course until the end of their lives, that may be saved. And since no-one knows when the end will come {not even Jesus... Mark 13:32-37} we should use every day to show God that we still care and that his love is not wasted on us. (Luke 11:9-10) 9 Accordingly I say to YOU, Keep on asking, and it will be given YOU; keep on seeking, and YOU will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to YOU. 10 For everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking it will be opened. . . (Luke 13:23-27) 23 Now a certain man said to him: "Lord, are those who are being saved few?" He said to them: 24 "Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell YOU, will seek to get in but will not be able, 25 when once the householder has got up and locked the door, and YOU start to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, 'Sir, open to us.' But in answer he will say to YOU, 'I do not know where YOU are from.' 26 Then YOU will start saying, 'We ate and drank in front of you, and you taught in our broad ways.' 27 But he will speak and say to YOU, 'I do not know where YOU are from. Get away from me, all YOU workers of unrighteousness!' So I think in this most recent post we can agree on almost everything But I would still like to know how you came to the conclusion that Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are all the same and how a God who personifies love would torture his children forever

#1 So all of that pontificating you did about the King James version being the only real bible wasn't true then right? Or are you changing your mind on that? #2 What part of the books of Matthew and Mark that I'm quoting has anything to do with the Mosaic law? Mt 10:22... 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Mt 24:13... 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:13... 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. #3 What??? No retort for #3? #4 You still have not shown me from the bible what it is like to be saved. Surely if being saved is something that every Christian must experience, then the bible will explain what it's like. #5 You say Hitler was not lead by the Holy Spirit. But how do you know. He was never expelled from the Catholic Church, he professed to be a Christian his entire life AND he claimed to be saved. You also said that the leaders of this world are selected by God. How is it that you and Hitler have the same experience but you say he was not lead by the spirit? If he's saved, then he's OK in your book. Right??? Or do you now have a different opinion? And when you say that Jesus is "in" you, are you saying that you are Jesus? And when you say I blasphemed, how did I do that? When I called Easter {the very name is Pagan} a pagan holiday? I somehow did something wrong by exposing your involvement in a Satanic sex ritual? And check out this rambling double talk... "I have been led to many passages that have justified my life since that day but those details are between me and God and I will never dishonor God in the name of Christ but I will just say that I am where I need to be, when I need to be there." ... I am where I need to be, when I need to be there. WOW now that's deep.

So is that your reply to these questions...? #1 You say my bible is wrong but you never criticize rj's translation. #2 You say the bible is important and you should live by it but the only important part is the "your saved" part. #3 You say that God loves everyone even those who sin but then he tortures them for ever. You admitted {as I recall} that faith wothout works is dead but somehow you say that faith without works is not only OK but works are only to be done as an example. But Jesus himself said that you must show the same powerful works if you will have faith... John 14:12,21... 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. #4 I'm also wondering where you guys get the idea what being saved is like. Is there some scripture that says you will have some deep emotional feeling when you're saved? The only thing I can find is that the one who endures to the end will be saved. Which end do you think that is? #5 It is a well known fact that Hitler accepted who and what he was and accepted what Christ did and yet he murdered, raped and pillaged millions of people and negatively effected the entire world. DOES all of his horror mean nothing if he had that same emotional rush you guys had when you were "saved"?

You still haven't answered the questions... #1 You say my bible is wrong but you never criticize rj's translation. #2 You say the bible is important and you should live by it but the only important part is the "your saved" part. #3 You say that God loves everyone even those who sin but then he tortures them for ever. You admitted {as I recall} that faith wothout works is dead but somehow you say that faith without works is not only OK but works are only to be done as an example. But Jesus himself said that you must show the same powerful works if you will have faith... John 14:12,21... 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. #4 I'm also wondering where you guys get the idea what being saved is like. Is there some scripture that says you will have some deep emotional feeling when you're saved? The only thing I can find is that the one who endures to the end will be saved. Which end do you think that is? #5 It is a well known fact that Hitler accepted who and what he was and accepted what Christ did and yet he murdered, raped and pillaged millions of people and negatively effected the entire world. DOES all of his horror mean nothing if he had that same emotional rush you guys had when you were "saved"?

And which part of the bible do you base this opinion on?