I have bent Douglas red and blue, T9's, Baja's, and stockers. All were new rims, and not cheap. The trails I ride are full of huge rocks, creek beds, and trees. Hipers are the only rims I have not bent or broken. The ones I got were used and about 2 years old. Paid 350 for all 4 on YFZcentral. Check out MX sites, you will find a cheap set.