These 450s are starting to be a pain in the ass for me, I beat every 450 I raced so far, and yes they were good riders. Now I have to admit for riding one myself they are quick, VERY quick! If you want to I would go up a tooth in the front sprocket, so oyu can get more out of the top, cause you prob won't get him out of the hole.... I am shuie the otheres will come in and chime on it too!