rjvoight

I am not trying to change his mind. HD claims to know all about the Bible. It gets me fired up when he quotes things that he does not understand. It is misleading. It is no differnt than someone who comes on here saying Banshees are slow and unreliable because of some magazine article they read somewhere or some guy who has never owned one. If you don't want to believe fine, I have no problem with that. But don't try to use the Bible to explain why you don't believe if you have never truly read the book. RJV

HD, you and I already went down this road in post #558. If anyone is interested in my response to these you all can check out that post. It is nice to see that you added a couple new ones, but you are making the same error (I am not being an ass here but you are making a mistake) in that you are not looking at the whole picture. You are not reading the book or chapter so you can't understand all of what is going on. Shee-male, forgive me for underestimating your intelligence. You've got it figured out so...........ok. RJV

Dude, you keep talking over and over again about the "contradictions" and the "rape" and the necrophillia and murder of unborn babies that the "bible promotes". How bout you show me any of those things in the Bible? You quoted the Bible a while back but took it out of context. RJV

"If you read the bible, it reads like a childrens book, just plain silly!." You have read the Bible then. So tell me what is childish about Proverbs Chapter 3. Or Genesis Chapter 1. How about the entire book of Daniel. What about the entire Matthew Chapter 27, what part of that is like a "silly childrens story"? Romans 12 and 13? How about Revelation 20 starting around vs 11? Where it talks about death? Light hearted stuff huh? Something that would be great to read to a little one before bed huh? Get real dude, you have no clue. Your "simpleist" "intellagence" is "ubsurd" RJV

it was never my intent for the thred to go in the direction it has. I have opinions about the system but I am jaded because of what I have seen over the years. Hopefully no one thinks I was complaining about my situation with my original post. I have sacrificed and will continue to do so for the benefit of my baby girl. (KX250 on the chopping block) Funny thing is most of the time it does not even feel like sacrifice. I am however going to try and build something that will allow us to attain our previous level of income. That is why I posted. To let people know I have some good products to offer and a way to shop on line that may save you all some money and help us out at the same time. I encourage everyone to always keep there options open and continually look for ways to better themselves. There is nothing wrong with that. We are all capable people. If you need help, by all means take it, if you are milking the system, knock it off. RJV

Happy Fathers Day Everyone!

Well, not really sure how you think we all got here, since creation is out of the question I just took a guess. And as to Alice, exactly. He is not that person anymore. Why?

HD, can you tell me according to the "Big Bang" the order in which the Earth developed? I mean what evolved and in what order? And as long as we are posting lyrics: Alic Cooper- 2. Nothing's Free You, me Understand Shake my hand Last chance, little man Ain't it grand It's a bargain, it's a steal 30 pieces of silver And a deal's a deal Sign upon the dotted line I'll be yours and you'll be mine Nothing's free Eventually Nothing's free From the rules and laws of morality Free to take your fill Free from your own free will Nothing's free My boy, it's getting late I'll raise the stakes So close Control your fate, why hesitate Seal the deal, close the sale Take my hammer, drive the nail Sign upon the bloody line A drop of yours, a drop of mine Nothing's free Eternally Nothing's free From your conscience or Free from the consequence Free to sin and death Free till your final breath Nothing's free Free from the claws and flaws of your family Free from obedient life You're cut like a double-edged knife Nothing's free, nothing's free Oh, you pay me Free to ignore the bore of authority Free to spit in the face Be the winningest rat in the race till Judgement Day Then nothing's free Bow to me if you wanna be free Free from life, come die with me And when we're dead it's for eternity Come on little one and dance in the fire The heat's getting close and the flame's getting higher When the music's over there's a hush in the choir Nothing's free When the trumpets sound and his light is all around And the saints all raise from the graves in the ground We'll be going way downtown Way downtown Alice Cooper- 10. Cleanced By Fire I don't know but I've been told The streets of hell are paved with gold Crazy, crazy You told me that nothing's free Except my own insanity Crazy, maybe Wake me, shake me Wake me, shake me You offer me the world and all its wealth All for myself You promised me a life eternally And drink to my health I may seem only half-glued But I can see right through you [CHORUS] Burn it up, burn it down Burn this sucker to the ground Oh yeah, oh yeah Going, going, going, gone There's a party going on Do you think I don't know who you are A fallen star When I feel my soul scream out at night I know you're not far You need a better disguise This one won't win any prize [CHORUS] Cleansed by fire, cleansed by fire I may seem only half-glued But I can see right through you What about dark What about light What about wrong What about right What about death What about sin What about the web you're trying to spin What about truth What about life What about glory What about Christ What about peace What about love What about faith in God above What about war What about hell What if I stumble What if I fell What about blood What about greed And all of these things you're offering me Yeah, what about me, little me You lose and I win You couldn't suck me in It's over, you have no power You're lost And I'm found And I'm Heaven bound Go back to where you belong To where you fell Go to hell Think on those lyrics for a while. RJV

Meat, you may find it interesting to read Genesis chapter one. The biblical order of creation is actually the same order as what scientist claim developed. From Space and the planet to mankind. If you don't have access to a Bible I will type it out, but it makes for a long post. It is a pretty cool read and will give you another perspective (not change yours) of how we all got here. RJV

IF god could ever be proved to be real, and he came down from the heavens , I would still be giving him the finger,, KWIM? What will happen is you will remember this thread and every conversation you have ever had with anyone who has given you information about Jesus. You will realize they were right. You will realize that it is to late and you will beg and cry knowing it is to late and you will say I never knew You were real! But you do know, you know now and refuse to accept it. It will be a dark frightning day for you. I would not want to be you on that day. RJV

He was Jewish. If you want to know his genealogy, go to Matthew 1:1-17 It tracks back 14 generations.

Thanks dude. The wife and I were married 10 years before the little girl came along. We have been able to play and get that out of our system. I only wish we had planned a little better. We though we had but in reality, well you know, no matter how much you plan you are never totally ready for a baby! Mom is not going back to work we will be able to pay the bills, keep food on the table and clothes on all of us. I would not say all day care is bad, but I completely agree with what you say about dropping the child in the morning, spending 2 hours at night and then putting the baby to bed. I want my wife and I to be the one to instil values and help develop her personality at this stage of her life, not someone else and someone elses kids. I'm driving a 95 Ford Bronco and the wife has a 93 Acura vigor with 250,000 miles on it. Believe it or not, both rigs run great and until they don't I am not buying anything else. A new ride is not worth sending Stacie to work and Aly to daycare. In a perfect world I could do what I do for a living and be able to afford for her to stay home with the girl and she would be rolling in a Range Rover and I would be in the Mercedes SLK. Its good to have dreams. But I am not going to sit around and be satisfied if there are other options that may allow us a little less financial strain. If voightgroup.com falls on its face (which it wont) at least I will be able to say I tried. All the while my little girl will be home with mom during the day and both of us in the evening. IWe can't loose and neither can Aly RJV :beer:

Ok Darth Helldriver, explain the power of the "dark side". Anyway, I don't know that the Bible says anything like what I said about the devil getting people to not believe he is real. I don't think that it does specifically anyway. RJV

Santans greatest success is getting people to the point they believe he and God are not real.

No problem, no disrespect felt. For the record though, I don't handle the products from say, circuit city, you end up dealing directly with them. All I do is route you to the site. RJV I hear you guys, we have definately cut back, way back. I just feel like there has to be a way to still be able to have her stay home and not have to stress about going to the local mexican place once or twice a month. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with not going to the mexican place and if it comes down to going to dinner or having the wife be able to stay home it is a no brainer for sure go to mexican.....just kidding. In a perfect world Iwill make enough money to allow her to stay home and still be able to play, add to a savings, put money into retirement and be able to take a vacation once a year, not just watch other people do it on the E channel. Take care and good luck to any of you others out there who are doin the single income family gig. It is totally worth it. RJV

Fair Enough.

lol, I know. I just respect everyone here and didn't want people to think I was trying to scam em. By the time I got done typing it was a huge post so I tried cutting some of it, but I also wanted to cover everything, including why im doing and most of all that I was not trying to get anyone to join me in my quest. She is home now, but our savings account is getting hammered. Each month it gets eaten at a little bit more. We are doing ok, but as for any extras right now, those things are on the back burner for sure. She can always go back to work but I would like it to let it be her choice, not cause she has too. Later RJV

I've got to give the nod to the CRF. The bikes just haul ass. Granted, there is always someone faster, doesn't matter what you are riding. RJV

I was lucky enough growing up to have a mom who was able to stay home and take care of me and my two brothers. I think that was one of the coolest things every. At the time I did not care but looking back it is pretty cool that she was willing to do that. How were my parents able to afford that? On one income? I have no idea. A couple months back I had a post up for about a day in regard to my business. As is typical, after I put the post up I ran into some technical problems and deleted the post. Since then I have retructured the site a bit and taken care of the bugs. My income at my normal job is not going to allow my wife to stay home with our daughter and I really want her to be able to do that. She wants to so don't think I am one of those guys who thinks women should be in the home, Stacie was a professional for 10 years with Edward Jones investments, she tells me she is tired of being out there. So I had been looking for something to supplement my income enough to allow her to stay home with the girl or at least offset the daycare expense if we can't make it. I sold a bunch of stuff (not the bikes) and got the cars paid off. During my searche I came across what I am currently involved in. I spoke with people in the investment world, banking and business. ( A perk of being married to someone who lived in that world for several years). After several months of talk and thought I coughed up some money and got things rolling. www.voightgroup.com was born. The business has several aspects. One of those aspects is an online affiliate marketing program. That is what I want to talk to you guys about. From my business site you can purchase a bunch of products that one of my contracted companies offer. Everything from energy drinks to diet supplements to Levis, Doc Martins, even makeup etc. That is cool and all but what I am more interested in for you guys is actual affiliate marketing part. I have entered into agreements with companies such as Circuit City, Shop.com, Barnes & Noble, Bass Pro Shops (which is really cool) etc. If you log onto my site and go to any of those partner stores and make a purchase, I get rewarded a percentage of points. You pay no extra at all, it is exactly the same as if you had just logged into circuit city and purchased an IPOD (occassionaly you will get a better deal) and I make no cash off of you. If you go and don't buy anything I get nothing. What it does for me though is if enough people shop those points will eventually turn into cash rewards. I won't go into the how (if you really want to know pm me). I AM NOT LOOKING FOR BUSINESS PARTNERS. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANYONE TO COME TO ANY MEETINGS. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANY MONEY, DONATIONS OR SIGN UP FEES. What I am looking for is 10-20 people who would be willing to log onto my site and shop from there. This is my business. I have set it up so that anyone from BHQ can log in by typing BHQ in caps in the access code box. You will only be able to navigate to a few pages and you wont be able to get out to the partner stores without creating a log in. The required log in is no different than if you were creating an account at Circuit City. I promise YOU WILL NOT GET SPAMMED! You will get one and only one confirmation email. I would not post this if you were all going to get hit with spam, I love the HQ and you guys would run me out of here in a heart beat if I set you all up. I don't care what you put in for email and address or phone, make it up whatever (unless you purchase something, you might want to have your actual shipping address and not send it to some town who knows where) So, if you all would be willing to check it out and toss the site into your favorites and when you are thinking about buying stuff online from stores, take a couple mins and see if you can get what you need through my site I would greatly appreciate it. Also, if you create an account and decide you dont want it anymore let me know here or pm me and I can delete it for you. And one last thing, I can also give you a custom login name, my site will initially assign you a big ol' number. I can change that to your HQ screen name if you wanted, you just got to let me know. And finally, any of the inhouse food products, I can help with shipping. I have some room to move on price etc, but only for people who actually have an account. Thanks guys, I appreciate it even if you take the time to look and nothing else. Your guys help really could make the difference as to Stacie being able to stay home or not. RJV :beer:

What part of the Bible are you talking about, what part has been ignored? What has been "used" and not backed up? Granted, ultimately when it is all said and done, it boils down to Faith. You asked recently and in the past what makes Christianity right and or different from all the other religions. Jesus Christ is alive. There are nothing inconsistant in the Bible. The Bible is about one thing, Jesus Christ and the redemption of man kind. Also, Santan is very clever and the Bible states he is in control of this world. It is interesting to me how everyone likes to blame the horrible things that happen in this world on God. Man made our choices and now we live with the consequences. When Santan get a person to the point of not believing in him or God, he has won. In fact it may be his most impressive victory. RJV A perfect example of you showing you have absolutely no understanding of what was going on during the time of the Noah and that you only know a little bit of the story. RJV

What part?