Thats correct. Also the Snipers kept the motor cooler than Shearers. The power came on a little more violently and it spun more as well. As Jim mentioned about the acceleration earlier. I dont run the motor that they were tried on much anymore. I also have dyno runs back to back that show the accelleration difference but i dont want to post and cause a dyno critique thread. They are good pipes, but we really need to know the optimim exhaust port duration. Shearers like 194 to 196 Tballpark figure) CPIs like anything higher than that. 194* was the duration on the motor I ran. It may be that they are all around decent for any duration, but surely they have an optimum range. Dont forget that dome design goes habd in hand with the pipes. Jim sent me some domes that were better suited for those pipes, but ive got too much going on at the track to start over withe the tune.