DSSA Posted July 19, 2007 Report Posted July 19, 2007 Weird issue. Both quads had pipes when we bought them---that's it. Both quads are modded with same damn parts ('98 has ignition mods and +1 more timing), yet the '01 in an 1/8th drag pisses all over the '98 (to the tune of at LEAST 4 lengths). Don't get it, the '98 has better compression, less use, etc. I'm not complaining since I own the '01, but this thing is STRONG. I've had 409 Banshees in the past which were faster, but this thing is insane for the mods (v3s, timing plate, Noss head/21 domes, Pro Circuit pipes, Noss Intake kit for the motor) and it's got a TON more low end and lifts on 3rd roll-ons without even trying. CORN-fuzed! Quote
DSSA Posted July 19, 2007 Author Report Posted July 19, 2007 Sorry, Little-Guy is complaining that his "is a '99". Wahhhh...sorry! Meant "'99 then" not "'98". Waahahhhhhhhhhhh Quote
Animalman294 Posted July 21, 2007 Report Posted July 21, 2007 Is the gearing the same? What about jetting? If ones off it would not run as well. Could be a better rider (ie. shifting, traction (amount of tread on tires)). Are both rider's the same weight? Not all banshees run the same with the same mods, and I've seen differences in stockers runnin' together. Quote
DSSA Posted July 21, 2007 Author Report Posted July 21, 2007 Is the gearing the same? What about jetting? If ones off it would not run as well. Could be a better rider (ie. shifting, traction (amount of tread on tires)). Are both rider's the same weight? Not all banshees run the same with the same mods, and I've seen differences in stockers runnin' together. Nope, two *identicle* bikes. Everything's been checked to be the same. The only differences are that the slower of the two now has a Nology coil (which made little to no difference). The slower bike has the lighter rider (by about 30lbs), and we've swapped quads with the same results (to rule out rider error). We've run probably 30 times on my 1/4 mile driveway that goes back to my shop with the same results every time. I've seen various bikes run differently before, but never to this extreme of a difference. Everyone that rides his is like "that's pretty quick", then hop on mine and state "WOW! That's a lot quicker!". Just perplexes me. Being that mine is the quicker of the two--I'm definitely not complaining. ;-) Quote
RIPPEN Posted July 21, 2007 Report Posted July 21, 2007 Um.... Who knows.. There are probably small things that are making a difference that you are unaware of.. OR one just happens to be somewhat of a freak and run better... I have heard that some get YFZ450s and for some reason they seem to run better than another thats exactly the same.. Oh and I know your not complaining because yours is the faster of the two.. You have mentioned that several times.. :thumbsup: RIPPEN Quote
NYUK Posted July 21, 2007 Report Posted July 21, 2007 Um.... Who knows.. There are probably small things that are making a difference that you are unaware of.. OR one just happens to be somewhat of a freak and run better... I have heard that some get YFZ450s and for some reason they seem to run better than another thats exactly the same.. Oh and I know your not complaining because yours is the faster of the two.. You have mentioned that several times.. :thumbsup: RIPPEN i have seen this with banshees also. stockers with bolt ons, pipes reeds, ect, freakishly fast off the showroom floor. just how"IDENTICAL" are they, jetting, pipes reeds. do you know if the previous owner did porting?4 bike lengths. rider plays a huge part also. switch bikes with him, then race. Quote
1.6i Posted July 21, 2007 Report Posted July 21, 2007 (edited) i've noticed with cars too, some of the same identical cars bone stock, some are faster than others..honestly i think its on the break in of the rings when the engine is fresh....the engine that was babied when brand new seems to be less powerful than the engine that was driven hard off the show room floor, its all in the ring seating... then again you said the 98 has more compression eh? you never know the 2001 may be bored or stroked stock sprockets on both bikes?? Edited July 21, 2007 by 1.6i Quote
91tsiawd Posted July 21, 2007 Report Posted July 21, 2007 i've noticed with cars too, some of the same identical cars bone stock, some are faster than others..honestly i think its on the break in of the rings when the engine is fresh....the engine that was babied when brand new seems to be less powerful than the engine that was driven hard off the show room floor, its all in the ring seating... then again you said the 98 has more compression eh? you never know the 2001 may be bored or stroked stock sprockets on both bikes?? I'm the brother and owner of the slower bike. Everything on the bikes is the same, sprockets, tire size, clutch, head/domes, etc. I've tuned both bikes, and spent many hours trying to improve on mine just to get back in the race. The only thing I can come up with is maybe it has Blaster pistons and a 4mm crank that the previous owner was un aware of (pistons where marked standard bore). Also Both bikes show no sign of any porting. At this point I'm kinda pissed he has the ringer since I picked out and paid for both bikes (my brother didn't even see the bike untill I showed up at his shop). Has anyone noticed an increase in power by running 2-3 degrees advanced opposed to the 4-5degrees everyone recommends? I still can't imagine the gains being that much. Quote
DSSA Posted July 21, 2007 Author Report Posted July 21, 2007 Okay, once again.... Both bikes are identicle. Sprockets: Same--checked immediately Porting: Unless someone found a way to change the ports to no noticeable size difference and also port in a manner that left casting imperfections---stock ports. We've only torn down both bikes to the point of seeing that both sets of pistons are marked "std." and that there has been no porting (head and reed swaps). External to that point, everything is the same. I have thought about the "Blaster piston" aspect, but I thought that the port-alignment had to be changed to get any real gains on this. I suppose I'll have to take a half-hour and tear off the head and do a measurement--along with researching the blaster piston "upgrade". I build race motors/transmissions/cars for a living---not 2 strokes, and like I said, I've been out of 2 strokes for some time now. I was just thinking that I might be missing something here. Quote
Dinner Posted July 21, 2007 Report Posted July 21, 2007 You still havn't mentioned anything about what jet's you are running in each, needle position...that stuff...or did I miss that :shrug: Quote
NYUK Posted July 21, 2007 Report Posted July 21, 2007 i've noticed with cars too, some of the same identical cars bone stock, some are faster than others..honestly i think its on the break in of the rings when the engine is fresh....the engine that was babied when brand new seems to be less powerful than the engine that was driven hard off the show room floor, its all in the ring seating... then again you said the 98 has more compression eh? you never know the 2001 may be bored or stroked stock sprockets on both bikes?? i am an absolute believer in this.on a fresh banshee top end. a few heat cycles, leakdown test. check for coolant leaks, then ride it like you stole it. every banshee i owned was a neck breaker broken in this way. fuck that 2 or 3 tank of gas shit. seat them rings properly, then off to the races. Quote
91tsiawd Posted July 21, 2007 Report Posted July 21, 2007 You still havn't mentioned anything about what jet's you are running in each, needle position...that stuff...or did I miss that :shrug: Same needles, jets, and pilots. 310 main, 27.5 pilots. Both tweaked for the best performance Quote
91banshee Posted July 21, 2007 Report Posted July 21, 2007 chain o ring vs non oring and break drag can factor a bike length Quote
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