brian25 Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 heres a pic of my mids if it helps, they do say banshee 99 Quote
jlsparky7 Posted June 1, 2007 Author Report Posted June 1, 2007 The guy had them on a 87 banshee so they are without a doubt j-arm frame banshee pipes. IU had no idea they were different. Quote
jlsparky7 Posted June 1, 2007 Author Report Posted June 1, 2007 The ones on fouledout420's look like the high revs...your PT's look like the mids, they can be a pain in the butt to get on... Just curious, but have you tried putting that pipe on the left side to see if it fits better? You'll have some fun getting them on, try rotating the pipe on the exhaust flange to change the angle of it. Dab some grease on the exhaust flange (on the cylinders) and it'll help the pipe rotate around until you find the spot it needs to be in...I had to put a spacer on the pipe mount because it sat out a little far, but the holes lined up for the most part. Here's a couple pics of my PT's installed.... See if you can get the pipe on the inside of the frame before sliding it on the exhaust flange, see if that helps some. Reference where the label is on my pipes compared to yours in the pics. Like I said before, try rotating the pipe around on the flange once it's on, see if it makes a difference. Are those FMF Power Core II Silencers? Did they bolt right up? Because they look sweet! Also do they have spark arresters? I really not a fan of the fatboys and they dont have arresters... Quote
jlsparky7 Posted June 1, 2007 Author Report Posted June 1, 2007 Take some pics of what it looks mounted at the cylinders. Your pipes look just like mine do. I'm just trying to help, not trying to say you're wrong or anything like that...you may have received a funky set of pipes, but I just know what a pain in the butt it was for me the first time I installed the PT's...it took me a while to get it all right. Work on it a little more, you just may get it lined up Simply curious, but are you trying to mount the pipe directly to the frame or are you using pipe hangers? I just didn't see any so I wanted to ask :thumbsup: Good luck with this! Also, if you can, take a pic holding the pipe where it should be (mounted to the frame) and see where the inlet ends up. Ill get some more pics up. That one that I have is me holding the pipe trying to get it in the frame with it mounted on the jug already. Ill take some more just to be sure. I had 2 cousins, my dad, my bro, and my uncle who is a mechanic all look at it and all of them said theres no way it will fit. The pipe from the exhaust entrence to the furthest point forward is like 12-14 inches and there is only about 10 inches of clearance from the jug to the frame, so theres no way the pipe can fit inside the frame. All get more pics up to see if itll help out. Once again I appreciate all the help everyone. Quote
KlotzBanshee Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 This may sound dumb, but is it a possibility that you are trying to mount the pipes on the wrong sides? Left pipe on the right side and vise-versa? :shrug: ...it kinda looks like it in the one pic... Quote
bigboybanshee Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 Yep, those are fmf silencers and have spark arrestors inside the cap. They meet up, but I had to make a connector for them. The PT pipe and FMF pipe both have female connectors, so I had to make a little male connector for the pipes to match up. It was nothing major, just cut a piece of 3/4" OD pipe (if I remember right) and stuck it between them. If you decide you want to go this route (given you get the PT pipes to fit), I'll gladly take some pics of what I did to make them work :beer: Hope you're able to work something out, what you're going through really sucks Quote
jlsparky7 Posted June 2, 2007 Author Report Posted June 2, 2007 This may sound dumb, but is it a possibility that you are trying to mount the pipes on the wrong sides? Left pipe on the right side and vise-versa? :shrug: ...it kinda looks like it in the one pic... There is no way im trying to mount the pipes on the wrong sides, thats just how they end up. The ehxaust entrence has to be on the inside of where the silencer hooks up. If i switch the pipes the silencer side would have to be on the inside of the frame and theres no way thats gunna happen. Im going to take more pics now just to see if you guys can tell me if its for an older banshee maybe? Quote
jlsparky7 Posted June 2, 2007 Author Report Posted June 2, 2007 Few more pics to give you guys an idea. This is the closest they will come. All of the pics but the first one where taken without moving the pipe. Quote
BellicoseBanshee Posted June 2, 2007 Report Posted June 2, 2007 (edited) There is a good chance they will fit a J-arm frame. If you were to look at a J-arm frame, it does not have the vertical frame tube the pipe is touching in one of your pictures (it only has the tube forward of the lower radiator, where the A-arm has a tube forward and aft of the lower radiator; I hope that is described correctly). I think strokerace is right about a different shaped pipe for J-arm frames. EDIT: The fourth picture in the above post. Edited June 2, 2007 by BellicoseBanshee Quote
jlsparky7 Posted June 2, 2007 Author Report Posted June 2, 2007 There is a good chance they will fit a J-arm frame. If you were to look at a J-arm frame, it does not have the vertical frame tube the pipe is touching in one of your pictures (it only has the tube forward of the lower radiator, where the A-arm has a tube forward and aft of the lower radiator; I hope that is described correctly). I think strokerace is right about a different shaped pipe for J-arm frames. EDIT: The fourth picture in the above post. Thank you, just wanted to confirm it. Quote
bigboybanshee Posted June 2, 2007 Report Posted June 2, 2007 This is the pic I wanted to see...Are you able to get it any further on the cylinders? Is the pipe hitting the frame, not allowing you to get it on, or is it stuck on the exhaust flange and not allowing you to move the pipe up far enough to clear the frame? LOL, I'm tempted to go outside and take mine on and off and see if I can duplicate what's happening to you...I would just hate to chalk this up as a loss due to being made for the j-arm frame. See if you can slide it completely on the exhaust flange from any angle, and if you can, then see if you can rotate the pipe around to where it needs to be. I wish I lived closer to help out in person Good luck :beer: Quote
shanYE west Posted June 2, 2007 Report Posted June 2, 2007 (edited) Dont you think it'd be a good idea to call duncan racing and see if they made pipes specific for the J-arm frames and rule that out?? Edited June 2, 2007 by Fouledout420 Quote
jlsparky7 Posted June 4, 2007 Author Report Posted June 4, 2007 This is the pic I wanted to see...Are you able to get it any further on the cylinders? Is the pipe hitting the frame, not allowing you to get it on, or is it stuck on the exhaust flange and not allowing you to move the pipe up far enough to clear the frame? LOL, I'm tempted to go outside and take mine on and off and see if I can duplicate what's happening to you...I would just hate to chalk this up as a loss due to being made for the j-arm frame. See if you can slide it completely on the exhaust flange from any angle, and if you can, then see if you can rotate the pipe around to where it needs to be. I wish I lived closer to help out in person Good luck :beer: They will press on all the way but I couldnt hold them there and take the picture. Even with them pushed on all the way I need a good 1" to 1-1/2" of clearance before they will fit. I emailed the seller via ebay and tried to work things out. He also upgraded the status of the dispute to a claim even though that is my job if you ask me. I cant believe this guy. Here is what he emailed me... "I was not aware of that fact. I think the best way to take care of this matter is to relist them yourself because I got laid off from work last week and I don't have the money to refund you. I'm so sorry for your inconvenience." Here he told me in another email that htye would fit all years.... "what year is your bike? explain why they do not fit because they fit 1987- current sorry for the inconvenience. " Here is what he wrote paypal..... "The item sold was exactly as listed. The buyer did not do any research on the item before bidding to see if they would fit his year, make, and model of Atv. There are many resources he could have checked with to find this information out. I do not want to do bad business with anyone, But I can not see this being my fault. This was not at all faulse advertising of my item. I also did not offer any return polocy in my add. My listing was 100% exact and truthful. If there is anything I can do to asist in this matter I will. Thanks Bryce Conley" I specifically requested more pictures before I won the auction and the seller claimed his wife had the camera and she was out of town. This is such a piss off. Quote
rtcc Posted November 2, 2007 Report Posted November 2, 2007 Yep, those are fmf silencers and have spark arrestors inside the cap. They meet up, but I had to make a connector for them. The PT pipe and FMF pipe both have female connectors, so I had to make a little male connector for the pipes to match up. It was nothing major, just cut a piece of 3/4" OD pipe (if I remember right) and stuck it between them. If you decide you want to go this route (given you get the PT pipes to fit), I'll gladly take some pics of what I did to make them work :beer: Hope you're able to work something out, what you're going through really sucks Old post, but I would love some pictures on how you did this. The only thing holding me back from getting these pipes is the price for the silencers as well. I have older fmf silencers, that are on gold series pipes, so im not sure this would even work for me, but I would still love to see how you did this. thanks so much! Quote
bigboybanshee Posted November 2, 2007 Report Posted November 2, 2007 I can't find any pics here at work, but all I did was get a piece of metal tubing, 3/4" OD and cut about a 2" section of it. Mounted the PT expansion pipe, stuck the 3/4" "adapter" in the outlet of the expansion pipe, then slid the silencer right over the other end of the adapter. Then slid my pipe clamp over it and tightened it down. Has worked very well for the past year, all the adapter really does is mates two female pipe ends together and keeps them lined up properly :thumbsup: Quote
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