JSHEE34756 Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Basically What I state, I do not want to sound like a dealer in anyway cause I swear on the good book I am not, I have been running a very hard to find and non advertised oil in my banshee's trans now for about 25 hours and I have not one spec of glitter in it so far. NOT ONE! Its there #267 supreme which is 80-90w Synthetic blend. The 30w oil that was in there before. Which is very high grade oil "I WILL NOT SAY WHICH BRAND", Turned grey glitter after only a few rides. This stuff is still new looking, It does shift harsh before it is fully warm but its like butter once it warms up, I also use there engine oil which has made my one very high mileage car silent when running just about. Pours the color of extra virgin olive oil. Don't know if anyone ever goes on bobistheoilguy.com but this is where I learned about this oil aswell as a retired trucker neighbor. Schaeffer's oil is what it is called. Its a midwestern farmers and truckers secret. There is a youtube video also at thiis link on a 500k engine teardown, Try it out lets have your input, if you can find it. Go to www.schaefferoil.com there if your lucky can find a dealer. Yes there kinda like AMSOIL but there not pushy like AMS. AGAIN I AM NOT IN ANYWAY A DEALER, I want to make that clear. I just thought I share with my few years experienced since I used them, They have always impressed me. Anyway Thought I share. Hopfully it will save your transmissions more 2stroke oil, Klotz all the the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 You do realize that is a 80w90 Hypoid Gear oil made for differentials and gear cases in cars and trucks right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pondtunes Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 You do realize that is a 80w90 Hypoid Gear oil made for differentials and gear cases in cars and trucks right? And surely he realizes that we run 30 weight oil or automatic tranny fluid in our banshee transmissions and not gear oil.... Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSHEE34756 Posted April 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 (edited) You do realize that is a 80w90 Hypoid Gear oil made for differentials and gear cases in cars and trucks right? I am more than aware its hypoid gear oil, BANSHEE transmission, GEARS! 30w, Sparkly metal flakes after maybe 3 short rides, Metal flakes = gear wear, More friction less power? Not at all! Any metal flakes after 35 hours? NO! Runs great with 80-90w, YES. Does other people use belray gear saver 80w? YES! I never understood why manufacturers would recommend motor oil or ATF in a manual geared transmission other then easier shifting when cold. Nuff said. Edited April 19, 2010 by JSHEE34756 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Hypoid Gear oil = much shorter clutch life due to the fact that it has friction modifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 I never understood why manufacturers would recommend motor oil or ATF in a manual geared transmission other then easier shifting when cold. Because they have much tigher clearances between the bronz bushings and transmission shafts. Car and Pickup manual transmissions are also sycronized and the stiff oil doesnt allow them to function properly. Yea you might get better gear protection with the 80w90 but if it can't get in between the gears and shafts you going to cause the bonz bushings to burn up. The oil will spool up around the gears and not get in between the gears and shafts, when a light oil would. I will stick with my klotz flex drive 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMatt Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Hypoid Gear oil = much shorter clutch life due to the fact that it has friction modifiers. I run gold spectro wet clutch and it is 80w magic racing said to run it, should i switch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 If it is just this stuff then no. http://www.spectro-oils.com/products/transmission/goldengear.asp It isnt a hypoid gear oil. It is a stright weight oil for mc and atv transmissions. They rate gear oil for mc transmissions differently. It is a straight 80w oil. It is comparable to a 10W30 engine oil. Shake a bottle of your 80w gear oil, then shake a bottle of 80w90 gear oil. The gear oil is way thicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSHEE34756 Posted April 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 (edited) Hypoid Gear oil = much shorter clutch life due to the fact that it has friction modifiers. Actually man, I don't believe this is hypoid only oil, Schaffers replied to me and others on bobistheoilguy and highly recommends it in manual transmissions "NO INFO ABOUT WET CLUTCHES" I have it in my dodge stealth r/t trans and 30k now it still looks very good. Judging by the lack of glitter in the banshee I am happy as hell with it. The clutch I will note and if anything happens I will post it up. If anyone has ever used royal purple this oil has a similar chemistry with even better stuff. RP actually probably copied the formula. The MOLY is what I like, MOLY makes oil wrap around and cling to things as well as bonding under extreme pressures where non moly oils get squeezed out, This would come into play when I am hoping the rear wheels off the ground under continuous hard throttle and landing back down. Anyway, I will experiment with it and post pics and info of the results. Thanks for the more mature replys below my last reply. I been studying oil propertys for the past 5 years now and this brand has impressed me the most. Edited April 20, 2010 by JSHEE34756 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Actually man, I don't believe this is hypoid only oil, Schaffers replied to me and others on bobistheoilguy and highly recommends it in manual transmissions "NO INFO ABOUT WET CLUTCHES" I have it in my dodge stealth r/t trans and 30k now it still looks very good. Judging by the lack of glitter in the banshee I am happy as hell with it. The clutch I will note and if anything happens I will post it up. If anyone has ever used royal purple this oil has a similar chemistry with even better stuff. RP actually probably copied the formula. The MOLY is what I like, MOLY makes oil wrap around and cling to things as well as bonding under extreme pressures where non moly oils get squeezed out, This would come into play when I am hoping the rear wheels off the ground under continuous hard throttle and landing back down. Anyway, I will experiment with it and post pics and info of the results. Thanks for the more mature replys below my last reply. I been studying oil propertys for the past 5 years now and this brand has impressed me the most. Molybdenum is the ingredient that causes clutches to slip. That is why you cant just throw any oil in there. Most oils have this ingrediant there for "Not Wet Clutch Approved." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSHEE34756 Posted April 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 (edited) Molybdenum is the ingredient that causes clutches to slip. That is why you cant just throw any oil in there. Most oils have this ingrediant there for "Not Wet Clutch Approved." I have no clutch slipage at all, I also been running schaffers 7000 racing 20-50w which also has Moly in it with my r6 for 9k now which uses the engine oil to lube the trans and wet clutch also, Again no slipage and lowered operating temps by 10f and I in no way drive like I am fat, old, and on a honda goldwing. MOLY is the reason this oil is all I will use. RP and REDLINE have it to. Only them few have the formulation right so it will not come out of suspension and form a solid. . I am going to tear the banshee down maybe somtime this week and look for signs wet clutch related issues. But judging by how clean the oil is, I think I have no issues to worry about, Nor would I post such a topic knowing full well I am praising a oil that is not recommended by far from the owners manual, Then again the manual suggesting running a 24:1 or even worse a 20:1 mix if not using yamahas oil is absolute BS also. I keep going but this is a topic for oilguys website. Edited April 20, 2010 by JSHEE34756 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 sorry... no way in hell i'm putting a hypoid gear oil in my trans.. I dont care whats in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSHEE34756 Posted April 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 (edited) Moderator, delete this topic. What the hell do I know. Only been tearing transmissions and engines apart for 15 years and testing oil propertys as a personal interest. As far as tight shafts and seals and what not on the banshee, They are the same as a regular high proformance manual trans, Also this oil is highly recommended with limited slip rears which itself has a very similar type wet clutch, Maybe you guys drive in cold below freezeing climates, If so then I would without doubt tell you to use a liter oil or whatever, I live in florida which is 70+ most of the year with 95 hells hot temps not uncommon in the summer. Again I want this topic deleted. I will continue to use what I know by fact is superior in protection. EPA has alot to do with what the manual suggest in cars and what not, As well as every single type of climate extreme is taken into consideration so the trans shifts good no matter what from the factory. Bottom line is most people are to stupid to know what to use in the right type of climate or even know to change any oil but there engine oil period, So manufactures throw a oil in which they feel will hold up no matter what the temps are as long as it shifts nice or meets EPA energy standards. Wear is of no concern to them, By then the warranty will be up. Edited April 21, 2010 by JSHEE34756 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVAGE420 Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Moderator, delete this topic. What the hell do I know. Only been tearing transmissions and engines apart for 15 years and testing oil propertys as a personal interest. As far as tight shafts and seals and what not on the banshee, They are the same as a regular high proformance manual trans, Also this oil is highly recommended with limited slip rears which itself has a very similar type wet clutch, Maybe you guys drive in cold below freezeing climates, If so then I would without doubt tell you to use a liter oil or whatever, I live in florida which is 70+ most of the year with 95 hells hot temps not uncommon in the summer. Again I want this topic deleted. I will continue to use what I know by fact is superior in protection. EPA has alot to do with what the manual suggest in cars and what not, As well as every single type of climate extreme is taken into consideration so the trans shifts good no matter what from the factory. Bottom line is most people are to stupid to know what to use in the right type of climate or even know to change any oil but there engine oil period, So manufactures throw a oil in which they feel will hold up no matter what the temps are as long as it shifts nice or meets EPA energy standards. Wear is of no concern to them, By then the warranty will be up. Don't want too, it's good reading for others. Everyone has there own opinions on things and not everyone will agree. Same with everything in life though right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowit Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Now i have not read up on these products but I will note that some synthetic companies will "rate" their lubes as say an 80-90 in way of protection, but the actual viscosity is much less. This is where they are able to claim HP gains. Lighter fluids make power. It is also very important to select a non-detergent lube that is rates for wet clutch packs. I have no idea how many clutches I have done because people go buy car oil at wal mart... By the way, Spectra Gold is a very good oil. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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