ahh haa haaa, do it right man, i cant tell you how many parts ive stripped of this crap, only to powder coat it the right way. there is no sub. for powder coat, just the real deal. think of it like this, get a can of chrome spray paint and spray a set of 20's then get a set of dipped ones, whats going to look better and last longer ???????? :lol:like i said in one of the other four posts on this topic, get it powder coated with a chrome base, then have it anodized red to match the other stuff. later