i duno where you think you can get a cheaper round housing swing arm with a carrier then 500 bucks and be half the job that quicksand douse but i would liek to see it i bought a 140 dollar swing arm once off ebay it was bent out of the box and tossed the chain braking my cases quicksand douse extend stock ones for 139 i bealive he has a verry nice jig set up so evry thing is exact none of the clamping shit togeather stuff and he can tig weld like no other