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Well AS I SAID whatever changes you make show up on the screen as well as the printout. So some one would have to be a complete dipshit to not notice that one sheet shows SAE and the next shows STD. You can also use dynojet software to revisit your runs to examine them under different corrections. So one pass can be judged by any or ALL the different correction factors. Also....I suppose you would have us believe that a person can show up and make a pass on a dyno......then NOT NOTICE THE OPERATOR HOLDING A BLOWDRYER AIMED AT THE STACK? The point of my comments are that "If you have eyes and 1/2 a brain" it would be ridiculous to think you can mess with the dyno and get it to show a false reading without people noticing. (I think anyone would notice you going into the settings section of the dyno and making changes at that level between runs.) But on another note: Glad you chimed in Gary. As someone who doesn't own a dyno.......you are certainly an expert on how to "Manipulate a dyno" (Wonder why that is........ ) But like many....your entire argument stems from top brag numbers. (Your only focused on how someone can show a higher number than a different dyno to fudge a final number for brag purposes.) If you follow MY point of view, it all comes from the point of view of simply comparing run #1 vs. run #2 vs your final run after all your tuning changes. Basically any mod that provides a false reading would effect all your runs. So you would still have the same HP gains from run 1 to the last. That's why it's a tuning tool. YOU use a dyno as a number generator for sales!....tell us for YEARS how your In-Frames can make more power than any other pipe on the market (In-frme or Out) I'm sure that is the REAL reason you want to be there for all the dyno testing. You're sure that others will sabotage your pipe's results...............

They have always made top peak power numbers. Years ago when the 3's came out, people were very pissed when they made lower peak power numbers. The 4's offer peak power numbers that are like the 2's (Admittedly the 2's can make 1-3 more HP, but only at the very peak) But the 4's can make sometimes 7+ more Hp at mid RPM (7500) and with much crisper throttle response. Plus they flow so well on the bottom and that you need to go up one pilot size. So, for diehard peak number guys and full on Alky drag bikes........no sense in trying to win them over since the 2's are about equal for what they do. But if your riding involves anything other than sub 4 second drag runs......the 4's are your best choice.

That's just what everyone says when they find out the motor they were convinced made 90-100 was only pushing 70-75. We just had a guy buy an unported 421cub dune/drag bike from a guy in Michigan. The guy had rode it for years and it ran great. The new owner brought it in to check it out on the dyno..... First pass (as bought condition and tune) 80 HP Last pass (after going 4 mains leaner, moving timing and needle and going richer on the pilot) 95HP. (Survived a weekend of hard dune action with his new tune with zero problems) The motor had originally been dyno tuned......so I guess when that guy heard 80HP, that's when a dyno owner says "well this dyno always reads low". In reality that guy didn't know how to tune. Our dyno doesn't read high or low. It reads correctly. Same exact dyno as Lane from Vito's, Mat Shearer's and Cameron's at Redline.......

You don't enter that info on a dynojet. It reads it on it's own, takes into account air temp effects and depending on your chosen correction factor, adjusts the numbers. (Don't get all worked up about the word "adjust" we're talking small amounts) All the settings are clearly shown on every dyno printout, so it's easy to see just what settings were in place for each run. (Not like an operator can tweek a run without it showing up in the settings.) Cameron has even said he can pull a bike off his dynojet ATV dyno and strap it on his dynojet CAR dyno and get the same numbers. So....NO. When it comes to dynojet.....you can't tweek anything like the public rumor likes to say.

Now stop saying stuff like that! You can't tweek a dynojet dyno. That's why they are the standard of the industry.

No. Plenty of drag guys still covent the 2's and will pay $150-$200 for a set. 3's..........value falling. Would you buy replacement reeds for 3's.....or just list them on Ebay and go buy 4's?

Only on a properly ported Passion 4mill cub........ NOT a Stock cylinder Ported stock cylinder As cast Serval As cast Cub Ported CP cylinders worked on by....anyone. LOL

JJ&A

That's a top of the food chain piece of art.

You have more $,$$$.$$ in that axle than some members here have in their machine. LOL Weight savings over a JJ&A ???

No. Gary just said he wanted to be there for every pull that will be posted. That could mean he wants to make sure nobody sandbags his pipes. That could mean he wants to be sure his pipes are tuned correctly. That could mean he wants to note every excuse he can find incase his pipes don't outshine like he's promised. No real help is needed, it's just simple pipe swapping. Sure one guy can do one side while another does the other, but it's not like a whole team of pit crew are needed. After that it's about checking jetting and timing. Hey do the Snipers FIRST. Let Gary throw elbows and get in there and tune that shit just like he wants. Then he can sit on his hands while the results from the other pipes roll in knowing he can't blame someone else's tune.

They come with the port timings of a drag motor. Explaining that is well above your pay grade. Athena = no low end torque = peaky drag like power.

Hey, how do I get me one of them government jobs where I get sent home for weeks/months and when it's all over I get paid for all that unplanned vacation time? Sounds even better than one of them regular jobs that offer 99 weeks off with partial pay.

Well, he's identified one tree. Now if you all would be kind enough to point out the rest of the woods to him.....he might just stumble on a path and end up somewhere.

Great......let's all prepare ourselves for a shit ton of TNT questions about jetting, plug reading, motor assembly, clutch assembly and adjustment. That will quickly be followed by gear, swingarm, tire choice. After 3 rides he's going to feel confident enough to start offering up tech and tuning advice to every little question he sees posted. All this while posting his own questions on boring and honing he freshly blowed up Athena motor. LOL Ready yourselves gentlemen........this hasen't hit terminal velocity yet.

Cascade posted a dyno run showing V4's making 7 more HP AT 7500. EVERYONE can feel that. Stop fighting it....they are only $200.

You want something good to mess around on?........Try your sister. Come to think of it, I think she had about 10 teeth.

Since nobody is around to "Open" the dunes........ Then nobody is around to monitor the dunes..... Nobody is around to ticket and fine you for anything....... Everyone of authority has been told to stand down...... Local police have no authority on Federal land..... Local area people can't complain because the people on the other end of the phones are all staying home...... You can do whatever you want and the people who have the authority to do anything about it are on mandatory unpaid leave. It's like that movie "Home Alone" except it's for us big kids! Anyone want to join in on a Bear hunt in Yellowstone?.......I'm thinking we'll use Bald Eagles as bait. .............We interrupt your regularly scheduled programing to bring you this special event. OBAMA and the DEMOCRATS together with STIHL TIMBERSPORTS presents to you, the 2013 REDWOOD FOREST GAMES! We start todays programing with our first event.....HOT SAW!

The "Question is"...........from MAY!

Canceled.

Entertaining moving our ride to Sunday........ I sent you a PM about it.

Welcome back to the circus Dave. We were just putting a tune on this Democrat.... His "talent" is asking pages of worthless questions, the failing to do anything with the answers.

Now THAT ^^^ is some funny shit right there! Our little Tray Tray (TNT) is obviously a full on Democrat.

....umm....just what is it that you do that your so good at?