Led,I'm feeling for ya.Ihad my first experiance with these a couple of year ago.I woke up with my side hurting a little,whithin an hour,I was a hurtin mofo,Hell did'nt have a clue as to what was going on,Thought I was dyin.I could'nt piss it out either.Remember the first piss afterwards,damm that hurt.What sucks now is the fact they will at sometime return Hell now every time I get a little twinge in my side or back I'm thinkin oh shit here we go again!Get good soon man.Oh,don't go ridin with the tube in.(not good).