A lot of people with 450's, and even some dirtbikes, and Jeeps talk tons of crap about the big 4x4 quads, and utility vehicles like the Rhino and Ranger. They will leave just about anything in the dust on a hill climb, its amazing. They have great ground clearance, 4wd, front and rear lockers, and a cvt clutch. I mob right past high centered atv's, and jeeps that are too wide for trails all the time when we go play in the mud. Unless you have ridden one, or driven one, alot of people just dont get how good they do. Way better than a sport quad.