i agree with ya JJfizzle fo snizzle... .. i ran the haulers and man i would shoot to the top and try and do a 180 rooost... and while i turned and gave it some gas to rooooooost... the mofo wouldnt turn fo chit and the front would lift me up so much... so now i run the edge v shape skat traks and love em... i play on the dunes not just race straight up and down...