and whats your point mine are 25.00 cheaper and are brand new in the box with all of the papers never been installed.....i would buy something from a member and save 25.00 if it was me.if you want to throw 25.00 out then by all means do it.....most of the prices i see and what i paid for them is 219.00 from jeff at f.a.s.t.i myself would rather give money to the members and supports of this site then some web site that doesn't support this site....