With my patriot 4mill mx port.I've tried pt mids,pt revs,t3's,+t5's.The mids worked best on the botton through the mid but fell off way to soon for my style.The t5's pulled the hardest+longest up top(over rev).The rev's are allmost the best of both worlds,they come on sooner+have a much smoother or linear power,band than the toomey's,but sign off a little earlyer.