FireHead Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 Where are you? here in the ass crack of new york, people don't have money to spend like they do on the west coast or down south. The only way to get my ideas off the ground is to move where the money and nice weather is. I assume there are different areas in which income differs greatly in New York, but I don't htink you can say that folks are better off financially just because they are out west. I have several friends who live in New York (two really) and they make way more than I do in a year, granted they spend their money differently than I do. I think that is probably the key difference here..........What do you think? :geek: Quote
BigRed350x Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 I assume there are different areas in which income differs greatly in New York, but I don't htink you can say that folks are better off financially just because they are out west. I have several friends who live in New York (two really) and they make way more than I do in a year, granted they spend their money differently than I do. I think that is probably the key difference here..........What do you think? :geek: I'm "out west" and make ok money, but spend all my money on banshee parts. Quote
zach45 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 i dono about out west... cost of living is alot out here... we dont have glasmis where it pays to get a sandrial for 50k that can fit the whole fam.... just seems to be more toys out west.. Quote
TurboBanshee420 Posted January 12, 2008 Report Posted January 12, 2008 (edited) I assume there are different areas in which income differs greatly in New York, but I don't htink you can say that folks are better off financially just because they are out west. I have several friends who live in New York (two really) and they make way more than I do in a year, granted they spend their money differently than I do. I think that is probably the key difference here..........What do you think? I think I need a second job!!! I also think your boyz are living in a better place than I.... I just bought a 1100sq/ft house and my payments are 1200/month.....300 rg&e yeah you get the drift. My friend in MN paid $230k for a 1300sq/ft condo. So yes it REALLY matters where your from and how much you make. DSSA talked about a shoestring budget.... He knows how I feel then! Banshees come last.... after my family and bills. I think if we could all have a beer together, I'd be havin' your asses on the floor in tears.... laughing! So before you have an opinion about someone at least give them a chance first eh... As for what you all know of me.... the street riding and blah blah.... come over to my house sometime and see how it is around here first. Edited January 12, 2008 by TurboBanshee420 Quote
FireHead Posted January 12, 2008 Report Posted January 12, 2008 I think I need a second job!!! I also think your boyz are living in a better place than I.... I just bought a 1100sq/ft house and my payments are 1200/month.....300 rg&e yeah you get the drift. My friend in MN paid $230k for a 1300sq/ft condo. So yes it REALLY matters where your from and how much you make. I don't know man, when I lived in SoCal, I was paying $1700/month for a 925sq/ft apartment.............I made over $100k/ year and I was never going to be able to buy a house..........the west coast is messed up too. Quote
FireHead Posted January 12, 2008 Report Posted January 12, 2008 Sure I use a "walmart efi system" but yes it does do the same shit as a motec. going on here. Here is an example of what I might get worked up about. The statement that a MoTec system is the same as a Megasquirt is very false or possibly just misleading............ The way I read that is that for your application, you can get buy doing the same thing with a Megasquirt as you could do with a MoTec, which is probably what you mean. However, if you take it as face value........it's just not true. There is absolutely no Megasquirt system that can do pilot injection or handle more than 5 injection events per cylinder with any amount of fidelity. Now many people don't even know why they would want to do that stuff, but if they were reading this thread for research, like I do on this forum for many things, then it would mislead them.......which is really why I ever said anything in the first place. :thumbsup: Quote
TurboBanshee420 Posted January 12, 2008 Report Posted January 12, 2008 Here is an example of what I might get worked up about. The statement that a MoTec system is the same as a Megasquirt is very false or possibly just misleading............ The way I read that is that for your application, you can get buy doing the same thing with a Megasquirt as you could do with a MoTec, which is probably what you mean. However, if you take it as face value........it's just not true. There is absolutely no Megasquirt system that can do pilot injection or handle more than 5 injection events per cylinder with any amount of fidelity. Now many people don't even know why they would want to do that stuff, but if they were reading this thread for research, like I do on this forum for many things, then it would mislead them.......which is really why I ever said anything in the first place. thumbsup.gif BRAVO!!!!!! see now you've gotten my respect as a great guy who can think with a clear mind... need I say more? I think so..... See people can really spawn hate over slight miscommunications. I think a perfect example is what I have posted as a quote here. Thank you dude! But for arguments sake bruce and al have new equipment out that will take care of the multi-injection per cycle problem... :biggrin: I couldn't resist...hehe Quote
THE358BANSH Posted January 12, 2008 Report Posted January 12, 2008 But for arguments sake bruce and al have new equipment out that will take care of the multi-injection per cycle problem... :biggrin: I couldn't resist...hehe Sorry to hijack, but do you know what Bruce and Al are going to do seeing as they're using pantented "real-time tuning"? Being as Mr.Gasket just got bought out, do you think Prestolite will allow someone to use their technology and not pay them for it? Have you heard anything from around the way? Quote
TurboBanshee420 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 do you know what Bruce and Al are going to do seeing as they're using pantented "real-time tuning"? Being as Mr.Gasket just got bought out, do you think Prestolite will allow someone to use their technology and not pay them for it? Not really sure what you mean.... What patent does prestolite have? Can you find it and post something about it? I'm just taking a shot in the dark here, but I'm not sure any company has the right to tell me I can't tune my car while I'm driving it. or quad for that matter. although it's pretty freakin hard to ride and type on my laptop let me tell you I must not understand what you mean bro.... on another note.... i get half a chubby looking at those snails peeking out of that hood! Quote
THE358BANSH Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 I would have absolutely no idea where to find something like that on the internet. They don't have the ability to tell you what you can or cannot tune while driving, they have a patent on the components and software that allows you to "real-time tune". We've been talking about it lately around the shop, because we're WD for Accel DFI. I really don't knows the specifics of it, but when all of the big names sell a box, they have to cut a check to Prestolite(Mr.Gasket). Dunno how much money or things like that, but I'm just seeing if anybody else hase some info, 'cuz I've had a cheap M-S project in the back for a while now. Thanks for the compliments on the "rotating acoustical absorbers", they are kinda like two tig 'ol bitties! Quote
TurboBanshee420 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 (edited) MS is different from an accel system because it has open source code. Meaning everyone or anyone can change it into whatever thay need it to be. (depending on how much you know C code) the tuning program.... Megatune... wasn't even written by my 2 heros. It was done by a "friend" (i don't feel like digging for his name) so it would be quite hard to patent something that changes everyday. So basically it's as free as this forum.... They sure filled a huge hole in the market. people all over the world use it. check out how many people are on *that* forum. I'm sure almost everyone who bothers to post is using one. they have a patent on the components and software that allows you to "real-time tune". the only components I use are a usb cable and a laptop. the program was written from scratch... similar to the rest but not the *same* :smile: Edited January 13, 2008 by TurboBanshee420 Quote
FireHead Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 I would have absolutely no idea where to find something like that on the internet. They don't have the ability to tell you what you can or cannot tune while driving, they have a patent on the components and software that allows you to "real-time tune". We've been talking about it lately around the shop, because we're WD for Accel DFI. I really don't knows the specifics of it, but when all of the big names sell a box, they have to cut a check to Prestolite(Mr.Gasket). Dunno how much money or things like that, but I'm just seeing if anybody else hase some info, 'cuz I've had a cheap M-S project in the back for a while now. Thanks for the compliments on the "rotating acoustical absorbers", they are kinda like two tig 'ol bitties! So here's the deal with "real time tuning": As far as leading technology goes, that stuff went out with the '80's. Anymore, on modern FIS units, the data rate is far to fast to real-time tune anything..........a trained human only has a memorized sensory perception of 1.5hz.....if you're on a dyno attempting to tune something as it's happening, you might as well just go back to using a carbureator as you just can't do it (an IRL ECM boogies along at 2.5ghz. This is another reason why you don't see everyone jumping on the FIS band wagon, not only do you need to know what your doing with the hardware, but you also have to know engine tuning basics, and how to use some other software............. While a Megasquirt system is sort of user friendly, and definitely low cost, it is also the sledgehammer and monkey wrench approuch to modern FIS systems......... :thumbsup: Quote
TurboBanshee420 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 (edited) haha your right :shrug: but all I have to do is watch my WB gauge and it tells me how far off my AFR target it's running. then i hit shift up, or shift down to tune across my 3-d map. just follow the tattle tail where ever it goes. That's why I love my LC-1! Like I said before I don't really need to tune fuel. i could turn the autotune function on and let it try to tune into my AFR target table. but when it misfires the WB gets a false reading and thinks it's rich for all the O2 in the pipe, when it's could possibly really be way lean. Tha's why i like to do it myself. EFI is not for everyone.... i could sell copies of what I did but the person would need a similarly built bike. carbs are almost idiot proof.... besides if they don't know how to tune, then they wouldn't be building an efi banshee Edited January 13, 2008 by TurboBanshee420 Quote
THE358BANSH Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 I guess I must not have explained what is in my head the way it needed to come out. When your on you VE table or 3D map, and you hit shift up or shift down, then hit F10(or whatever key MS uses) and the USB cable transfers that data into the box and a change in the injection events happens, is what Accel refers to as "real-time tuning". They have a patent on being able to change the VE values whilst the engine is running and having the data transfer and take effect without having to switch the ignition off. This is one of the reasons why Alan Dudely's MFI system is so popular right now with some of the big time racers. It eliminates the whole process of real-time tuning and therefore is almost a "bridge" between low buck and high dollar systems. While I really don't have much experience with MS, I do have enough information to let my brain scatter with different ideas and how it can be beneficial to myself and the shop. I really don't have anyone around town to discuss this with and thought you may have some pertinent information on the subject, and that is why I asked. And also, I am imagining that MS use a percent value for the AFR targets? If so, what do you normally tune into for a range? As for Firehead, I will agree that there is almost no reason tune "on the fly", but I think that our perceptions on the definitions of real-time tuning may have been different, thus leading to our confusion. It's definatley good to have a few people around here with multiple levels of experience so that we can share some knowledge, even though I feel bad for Streetshee for the huge hijack... Quote
TurboBanshee420 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Posted January 13, 2008 They have a patent on being able to change the VE values whilst the engine is running and having the data transfer and take effect without having to switch the ignition offthat's rude of them! can they do that? I am imagining that MS use a percent value for the AFR targets? If so, what do you normally tune into for a range? I can pick between lamda or afr.... I use actual afr meaning.....12:1... blah blah. My whole table is mostly in the boost area. I only use 36boxes for under 100kpa. the rest of the 144 box table are from 100kpa to 260kpa which is the max of my MAP sensor (for now) around 22psi. under boost I have mostly around 11.5-13.0. Obviously the higher the boost the lower the AFR target. It works well. It's definatley good to have a few people around here with multiple levels of experience so that we can share some knowledge RIGHT!!!! :biggrin: :thumbsup: :wink: don't worry... streetshee is reading up on some things. Quote
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