Banshee Ypvs controllers

[heatwave]

Has anyone seen or made this controller over at the french banshee site,

 

the original drawing is at :

http://www.chez.com/bansheequad/ypvs_schema.jpg

 

 

MY old RZ ignition system seems to have given up , and I would like to use a banshee ignition

with my RZ barrels. I also have heard that it may be possible to trigger the ypvs controller off the

blk/white wire used for the banshee kill switch. I may be able to confirm that in a few days when

my harness arrives.

 

Any experienced RZ/SHEE builder out there...?

Edited December 11, 2007 by heatwave

[dajogejr]

Has anyone seen or made this controller over at the french banshee site,

 

MY old RZ ignition system seems to have given up , and I would like to use a banshee ignition

with my RZ barrels. I also have heard that it may be possible to trigger the ypvs controller off the

blk/white wire used for the banshee kill switch. I may be able to confirm that in a few days when

my harness arrives.

 

Any experienced RZ/SHEE builder out there...?

 

There's a few guys on here that run Power Valve RZ motors on their Shees...try searching for them.

I think rzbansheeman is one of them, he's in MI somewhere....

[BenBB]

MY old RZ ignition system seems to have given up , and I would like to use a banshee ignition

with my RZ barrels. I also have heard that it may be possible to trigger the ypvs controller off the

blk/white wire used for the banshee kill switch. I may be able to confirm that in a few days when

my harness arrives.

 

Any experienced RZ/SHEE builder out there...?

 

That would be cool to trip the YPVS box off the Banshee CDI, I'm running all RZ electrics now and if/when the CDI goes out I was planning on going to Zeeltronics...but being able to go back to Banshee stator/flywheel/CDI and all would probably be the better way to go (cheaper, more available, etc.).

 

Are they talking about building or reworking the Banshee CDI to work with the RZ system? As in keeping the RZ stator/flywheel? Or Banshee stator/flywheel/CDI that will trip the PV controller? If so how are they getting power to run the PV motor? I didn't think that it was possible to mix anything between the two (well besides the coil), but it very well could be, that circuit diagram looks completely greek to me heh, there might as well be pixie dust or a genie inside that black box I have no fuckin' idea, as long as it works :happy: I think mine's actually an '85 CDI and '84 stator/flywheel now that I think of it...

[heatwave]

You should be able to pull 12v off the blue wire from the banshee voltage regulator or the yellow wire out of the stator. Brown wire on the Ypvs box is 12v positive, black is ground, Black/Yellow is ypvs signal.

The ypvs wont have a battery to start the cleaning cycle, I may be able to scrounge a smoothing

capicator off a WR200 to run the ypvs.

 

 

After owning a number a yamahas with electric powervalves, Some things noticed are:

 

On 800/1200/1300 cc waverunner/jetboat engines , the powervalve cleaning cycle is done a few

seconds after engine shutdown. There is no seperate ypvs controller, its built into the CDI.

 

Ypvs controllers from TZ , RZ's and some RD's are all pretty much the same.

 

IF you want a nice rubber cover for your servo motor, get one off a waverunner servo

or a 1992 WR200. They cost about 10$, and really keep the grime out.

Part # for the WR200 cover is 34X-85825-00-00.

 

YPVS servo motors can be used from the R1, waverunners, WR200 RZ's and TZ's

 

Im also awaiting an update to this page : http://ypvsbox.free.fr/ypvsbox_en.html

 

This guy is designing a programmable ypvs controller, and already has software up on his site.

 

I have also heard that a zeeltronic ypvs controller could be triggered off the coil signal.

[heatwave]

I forgot to add one thing.

In europe, someone has designed a mechanical ypvs controller that runs where the oil pump is located.

It may be possible to adapt this to the RZ motor , and sidestep the electronics alltogether.

NOW , can anyone here read portugese ?? Check it out:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...cial%26hs%3D9dv

[BenBB]

That's some damn good finds heatwave!! I'm gonna look at those closer when I have a little more time, very interesting...

 

Jobey I'm lovin' my RZ, your motor sounds even better it's gonna rip. I ran an Interstate 12N5-3B battery for a while, it fit perfect in the back of the airbox behind my single K&N, but it was heavy and I never used my lights so I went with a battery eliminator like those that frequent ebay. Works great no probs, I'm not real worried about the PV cleaning cycle mine don't appear to accumulate much if any deposits at all (they are polished as is the exhaust port so mebbe that helps, perhaps the synthetic premix I run does as well I dunno). Good luck, I think you're gonna like it :wink:

[RZBansheeMan]

I think the biggest problem with using the Banshee CDI, ( if it was possible ) is that it has 4* less timing than the RZ ignition curve. I would never use one of those silly timing advance plates to make up for needed timing because you would end up with a static timing advance at WOT, which is bad for the engine.

 

I haven't yet checked out the other links provided by "heatwave" yet, but will soon. I would most definately use the Zeeltronic over the Banshee CDI any day. If I am not mistaken, back before there were all these fancy programmable ignitions out for the Banshee, I have been told that people used to use the RZ CDI on the banshee for the hotter ignition curve / ignition advance.

 

When mine is done....I'm expecting it to be a rocket ship, It will consist of; Passion 12 port (dune specs) , 4mm stroker, Cool head, 35 mm PWK's, Rocket pipes maybe eventually Shearer's. I'm gonna try to run this with a stock length swing arm too..... :woot:

 

Mike

Edited December 13, 2007 by RZBansheeMan

[sheerider1026]

hey guys, check this out.. i was planning on doing a rz conversion, i checked with zeeltronics, they have a box that will control the powervalve, you CAN run the banshee cdi, stator, harness, and coil.. you do have to modify your shee and run a battery(no big deal) the box they sell reads off of your coil wire and tailors the powervalve to your rpm, ALSO, the bos they have is programmable, so you can custom tune your powervalve/rpm curve to your needs, you can make the power real smooth, or have the powervalve slam open for a strong hit.. i checked into this about 2 months ago, the guy at zeeltronics explained it to me, i think the price was very reasonable also.. someone check into it and let me know how it works

[heatwave]

Did Borut mention if his PPV controller was already programmed with 10 curves for the RZ350 motor, or will you have to program your own ?

 

MY problem isnt the controller at this time,( it cycles just fine) its the original RZ's crappy coil and CDI , I have no spark

I ran the RZ engine hard until 1995 , when I put the original banshee engine back in the frame and sold the quad.

24 years of electrical problems need to be found.

[4stroker]

Boruts CDI comes with 5 curves as does his PPV controller.

 

when you buy the stuff off him he gives you the graphs too of what they all are

[2strokespirit]

Zeeltronic CDI CAN be run with a banshee stator and flywheel with the RZ goods, but you need the Zeeltronic CDI. They have a fix, but you still need to put a regulator/rectifier on the bike and remove the banshees voltage regulator. You can run a battery eliminator or a battery.

The cdi and YPVS are programmable, If I don't have it wrong you can even adjust the amount od degrees that the valve rotates at certain speeds (BUT I AM NOT SURE OF THIS), but if its true, that will be way cool.

[sheerider1026]

yes that is true, its totally programmable. you can prgram it to do whatever, so one day it will run like a flat out drag bike, and the next day you have a tourquey trail bike if u want, i would say that is the way to go..

[DILUSI]

good find guys. this gives me something to think about