xXBlessedWithDeathXx Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Posted July 25, 2007 when i have the spark plug in my hand with the boot cap attached but holding the plug when i kick it , it sparks. its not touching the head,or pipe, no metal and when it sparks i cant feel it. when i take the plug off and pull off the boot cover and hold the open end of the wire i also cant feel it wile kicking but when its all together the bike starts on 1 kick. any advice? i burn up plugs like mad. i know the sparks not good but i should still feel it. my stator pickup is gaped at .15 Quote
TurboBanshee420 Posted July 25, 2007 Report Posted July 25, 2007 ever think maybe you have too cold of a plug... one cylinder always runs better than the other. Maybe one isn't getting a hot enough spark. that would most definetly have something to do with the motor running shitty while it's hot. And the white smoke going up a hill could be from it only getting a spark half of the time... which would give it a rich mixture for the times it does fire. Hillclimbs heat up banshee motors real fast....full throttle/100% load.... If your running a 9 then try an 8. Then do another test. When you play with your timing it has a huge affect on lots of other things that happen inside the chamber when it fires. I'm going through all that right now with my efi. just a thought. Quote
xXBlessedWithDeathXx Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Posted July 25, 2007 ever think maybe you have too cold of a plug... one cylinder always runs better than the other. Maybe one isn't getting a hot enough spark. that would most definetly have something to do with the motor running shitty while it's hot. And the white smoke going up a hill could be from it only getting a spark half of the time... which would give it a rich mixture for the times it does fire. Hillclimbs heat up banshee motors real fast....full throttle/100% load.... If your running a 9 then try an 8. Then do another test. When you play with your timing it has a huge affect on lots of other things that happen inside the chamber when it fires. I'm going through all that right now with my efi. just a thought. I`m running b8es, i was thinking of going to 7 but i never heard of a banshee running 7`s. should i try it or do you think its to hot? this is my first banshee and its a learning experience. Quote
ohiobanshee Posted July 25, 2007 Report Posted July 25, 2007 I have a 89 shee it was eating plugs too,changed everything wiring,stator,cdi,coil but the flywheel.Changed flywheel,problem solved. Further tuning on the carb,which is a 34pj required a needle change from a ceg to a cel. The cel is leaner on the bottom. eric Quote
blowit Posted July 25, 2007 Report Posted July 25, 2007 when i have the spark plug in my hand with the boot cap attached but holding the plug when i kick it , it sparks. its not touching the head,or pipe, no metal and when it sparks i cant feel it. when i take the plug off and pull off the boot cover and hold the open end of the wire i also cant feel it wile kicking but when its all together the bike starts on 1 kick. any advice? i burn up plugs like mad. i know the sparks not good but i should still feel it. my stator pickup is gaped at .15 All the things you are describing are pointing to a weak ignition system and not jetting. The banshee produced a weak spark at kicking speeds but you should feel it. I would start with continuity testing and see if the coils are ok. The pulse generator will not affect the quality of spark. Think if it as a trigger. If it is too far from the flywheel, it will not initiate spark but will not cause weak spark. DO NOT put #7 heat range plugs in. You have a problem and the 7s will not fix it. Start with that coil testing and report back. I am suspecting either bad plug caps or stator. Brandon Quote
xXBlessedWithDeathXx Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Posted July 25, 2007 All the things you are describing are pointing to a weak ignition system and not jetting. The banshee produced a weak spark at kicking speeds but you should feel it. I would start with continuity testing and see if the coils are ok. The pulse generator will not affect the quality of spark. Think if it as a trigger. If it is too far from the flywheel, it will not initiate spark but will not cause weak spark. DO NOT put #7 heat range plugs in. You have a problem and the 7s will not fix it. Start with that coil testing and report back. I am suspecting either bad plug caps or stator. Brandon i just got back from a coil change. same thing. the spark is bad but the bike starts. thanks for the info on the 7`s. i didnt want to try it but i`m not sure what to do. Quote
350BANSHEE350 Posted July 25, 2007 Report Posted July 25, 2007 if you are running b8es then try br8es i dont know what the difference is but try it since you always buy plugs if not then i would say ignition system Quote
xXBlessedWithDeathXx Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Posted July 25, 2007 if you are running b8es then try br8es i dont know what the difference is but try it since you always buy plugs if not then i would say ignition system BR8ES plugs burn up quicker but i ordered a spark plug cleaner on ebay Quote
blowit Posted July 25, 2007 Report Posted July 25, 2007 i just got back from a coil change. same thing. the spark is bad but the bike starts. thanks for the info on the 7`s. i didnt want to try it but i`m not sure what to do. When I say coil testing, I mean all stator coils, and ignition coils. You need have a meter this. Also, inspect spark for blue color. Orange is not good. Brandon Quote
joneser4u Posted July 25, 2007 Report Posted July 25, 2007 sparkplug cleaner? I have tried buring off fouled plugs with carbcleaner and a torch,pretty much if its fouled you need new plugs,never heard of a plug fixer. On the other hand if you ordered it and it works post a link please. I practilly own stock in NGK.lol Quote
TurboBanshee420 Posted July 25, 2007 Report Posted July 25, 2007 yeah 7 is never used on a banshee... yeah I would really get out the ohm meter and start looking over the ignition. I have another CDI if you wanna try it. Even if your flywheel is cracked or has a broken magnet it's still not going to make the magnets any weaker. I'd say maybe the ign. side of your stator has a small short and is only giving half the juice to your CDI. It's still very possible that it can have a short and still work. Heat can also affect the stator too. maybe causing the short only while hot.(shorts can also help make the heat worst) The only thing stopping those wires from touching on your stator is a VERY thin layer of poly coating. It melts at a pretty low temp. like 500* (google "magnet wire"). If you changed the ignition coil then it can't be plug caps or wires... If it runs ok for a while then it's not the harness... the trigger gap is set... only CDI and stator is left to check... Quote
xXBlessedWithDeathXx Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Posted July 25, 2007 sparkplug cleaner? I have tried buring off fouled plugs with carbcleaner and a torch,pretty much if its fouled you need new plugs,never heard of a plug fixer. On the other hand if you ordered it and it works post a link please. I practilly own stock in NGK.lol i also own in stock. i have about 35 or so waiting for the cleaner. this is the link. if it works good i`ll let you and HQ know about it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...714812&rd=1 Quote
xXBlessedWithDeathXx Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Posted July 25, 2007 yeah 7 is never used on a banshee... yeah I would really get out the ohm meter and start looking over the ignition. I have another CDI if you wanna try it. Even if your flywheel is cracked or has a broken magnet it's still not going to make the magnets any weaker. I'd say maybe the ign. side of your stator has a small short and is only giving half the juice to your CDI. It's still very possible that it can have a short and still work. Heat can also affect the stator too. maybe causing the short only while hot.(shorts can also help make the heat worst) The only thing stopping those wires from touching on your stator is a VERY thin layer of poly coating. It melts at a pretty low temp. like 500* (google "magnet wire"). If you changed the ignition coil then it can't be plug caps or wires... If it runs ok for a while then it's not the harness... the trigger gap is set... only CDI and stator is left to check... i`m thinking its the stator. i have to go over it with the oen meter. as for using your cdi to see what happens, thats up to you. i have a 87 banshee and newer electrical parts dont fit. i think its 87 to 94 that work. i just sold a cdi on ebay about 3 weeks ago. that blows. i`ll post back with results. Quote
xXBlessedWithDeathXx Posted August 2, 2007 Author Report Posted August 2, 2007 ok, i put on a new harness, cdi, stator and flywheel. same shit. the right cylinder carbons up in about 15 min or so then fouls. i`m using this from a working bike to find the problem. in the morning i`m going to try the coil and that box next to the coil. voltage reg. i think it is. i used a different carb and got the same results. my question is that if its not the coil what could it be? it is a ricky stator and all i hear is shit about him (true or not) i hear it. Quote
blowit Posted August 2, 2007 Report Posted August 2, 2007 ok, i put on a new harness, cdi, stator and flywheel. same shit. the right cylinder carbons up in about 15 min or so then fouls. i`m using this from a working bike to find the problem. in the morning i`m going to try the coil and that box next to the coil. voltage reg. i think it is. i used a different carb and got the same results. my question is that if its not the coil what could it be? it is a ricky stator and all i hear is shit about him (true or not) i hear it. Move to the carb because ignition is not the problem. You have already replaced the major stuff and the reg will not help. You have something else going on. Brandon Quote
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