350BANSHEE350 Posted July 7, 2007 Report Posted July 7, 2007 hw do hey look sorry bout the pics Quote
fastrthnu Posted July 7, 2007 Report Posted July 7, 2007 Just a hair lean, but pretty close. You want a tad darker about 2mm from the base. Quote
dajogejr Posted July 7, 2007 Report Posted July 7, 2007 Actually...a non-blurry pic would be nice, but I think it's spot on. When it's that close, I usually throw one size larger main in it and call it a day.... The smoke ring on the porcelin looks good, it's really, really hard to tell how the ground strap is from the blurry pic, though. Quote
350BANSHEE350 Posted July 7, 2007 Author Report Posted July 7, 2007 (edited) the ground strap if thats the piece thats cut off lol then the dark brown or black ends right before it goes straight thats from 1-6 and 6 for 4 mississippis and then killed it so that might be why and it was only 23 out i usually ride at about 25 or 30 also that was the absolute highest elevation of the place i ride or should i say the top of the mountain so to speak i personally i think its a wee lil tad rich but its not worth messing with i dont think i mean damn its close thanks guys EDIT' oh and yeah it took me like 30 minutes just t get the pic that clear so yeah and its a tad darker in person and on the other side its a wee bit darker and thicker patch Edited July 7, 2007 by 350BANSHEE350 Quote
dajogejr Posted July 7, 2007 Report Posted July 7, 2007 If that was the highest elevation...you will need to richen it up depending on how much lower elevation you will be riding at. Quote
350BANSHEE350 Posted July 7, 2007 Author Report Posted July 7, 2007 richen it up? lower the elevation the leaner i needs to be and the higher the richer because air is thinner up high im pretty sure its rich enough man the other side is darker and thicker maybe 3mm or 4mm if its not rich enough then ill put my snorkel back on but i think its rich enough whe you look at the other side Quote
bonbon Posted July 7, 2007 Report Posted July 7, 2007 richen it up? lower the elevation the leaner i needs to be and the higher the richer because air is thinner up high im pretty sure its rich enough man the other side is darker and thicker maybe 3mm or 4mm if its not rich enough then ill put my snorkel back on but i think its rich enough whe you look at the other side You have the rich/lean per elevation mixed up there......the higher you go the air gets thinner. That means that you run less fuel to get the appropriate air/fuel ratio. When you go down in elevation the air is thicker and you need more fuel to make the correct A/F ratio. So say somebody at sea level runs a 330 main, at 7000 feet they may run around a 280 main to lean it out due to the thinner air. Hope that made some sense Quote
Dinner Posted July 7, 2007 Report Posted July 7, 2007 richen it up? lower the elevation the leaner i needs to be and the higher the richer because air is thinner up high im pretty sure its rich enough man the other side is darker and thicker maybe 3mm or 4mm if its not rich enough then ill put my snorkel back on but i think its rich enough whe you look at the other side Read what bonbon posted....and try not to out smart dajogejr :laugh: , he is very knowledgeable in jetting and performance :thumbsup: As bonbon said.. High Altitude = Thin, Less Dense Air = Smaller Main Low Altitude = More, Think Dense Air = Larger Main Quote
dajogejr Posted July 7, 2007 Report Posted July 7, 2007 richen it up? lower the elevation the leaner i needs to be and the higher the richer because air is thinner up high im pretty sure its rich enough man the other side is darker and thicker maybe 3mm or 4mm if its not rich enough then ill put my snorkel back on but i think its rich enough whe you look at the other side I made this mistake a long time ago... Here's a better way to think about it...if you're a sports fan. Denver, mile high stadium. Football. Athletes from out of town get winded a little easier because the air does not have as much oxygen and is thinner. Your motor breathes just like you do... If there is not as much air to breath, you don't have to give it as much fuel to match... Hope that puts it into better terms for you.... Quote
FireHead Posted July 7, 2007 Report Posted July 7, 2007 I made this mistake a long time ago...Here's a better way to think about it...if you're a sports fan. Denver, mile high stadium. Football. Athletes from out of town get winded a little easier because the air does not have as much oxygen and is thinner. Your motor breathes just like you do... If there is not as much air to breath, you don't have to give it as much fuel to match... Hope that puts it into better terms for you.... What if he's a fish and has gills? Then the motor might not breathe like he does. :ermm: (That was retribution for your "head" joke from a different thread. I think this was about equal in sophistication) :biggrin: Quote
dajogejr Posted July 8, 2007 Report Posted July 8, 2007 That may be true, but a far cry from being "asshole curious" as in your other thread... :yelrotflmao: :yelrotflmao: :whistling: Quote
350BANSHEE350 Posted July 8, 2007 Author Report Posted July 8, 2007 i always thought more air (less dense) needs more fuel cuz it flows better i always thought hot air was lss dense to since things flow etter when hot so yeah JEEZ IM ONLY IN GRADE 9 lol Quote
FireHead Posted July 8, 2007 Report Posted July 8, 2007 1.) i always thought more air (less dense) needs more fuel cuz it flows better2.) i always thought hot air was less dense to since things flow etter when hot so yeah JEEZ IM ONLY IN GRADE 9 lol I took the liberty in itemizing your previous post. 1.) This is not really correct. You are always trying to achieve an airto fuel ratio which differs by fuel type. Because of this as air gets less dense, the less fuel you need. There are a couple exceptions to the flow thing, but the validity of your statement really depends on where you got the information (it's a pretty complex topic at the level, and I would not expect many people have this on hand as general knowledge). 2.)As air moves from cold to hot, it becomes less dense, and vice versa. You are 100% correct. Quote
FireHead Posted July 8, 2007 Report Posted July 8, 2007 That may be true, but a far cry from being "asshole curious" as in your other thread... I agree. However, I type many posts in that thread on my Blackberry, so I should atleast get some credit for that. Some of those posts were pretty long. :geek: Quote
Dinner Posted July 8, 2007 Report Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) i always thought more air (less dense) needs more fuel cuz it flows betteri always thought hot air was lss dense to since things flow etter when hot so yeah JEEZ IM ONLY IN GRADE 9 lol Less dense air will flow better, but it still has a low density, no matter how much CFM there is. And hot air is less dense vs cold air that has a lot of density due to the particle movement and spacing in the air. As Firehead was saying, there are a lot of different aspects to your questions. Like we could sit here and talk about oh I dunno, turbo's compressing air= hotter air(less dense), and how an aftercooler cools the compressed air going into the intake so that it has more density, which in turn will have your engine burn more fuel = power. Or as we are talking about...lets say there is like 200 CFM of air going through your quad(not sure on the actual number,lol) at sea level, and at 5000ft above sea level. The CFM is the same, but the quad at sea level would be running lets say a 350 Main....and the uad at 5000ft would be running oh I dunno a 300 Main...even though they are moving the same amount of air, the air at high altitude doesn't have as much density as sea level. Hope this helps in some way,lol if i am wrong then Firehead can correct me,lol It's like if you are jetted somewhat rich with your shee during the day. And then go for a ride later that night, Your quad might have more power. Edited July 8, 2007 by Dinner Quote
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