Sadaam to be hanged!

[Bigairee]

i cant believe you (or anyone) would even compare that to whats going on in Iraq!!

 

Clinton didnt make it out that they had WMD's. he never sent large numbers of American troops too invade those places. he didnt have the oil industry bankrolling his administration.

he didnt have madmen like Paul Wolfowitz drawing up plans on what America needs to do as a military power to preserve our oil consumption into the next century or corporate business men like Dick Cheney feeding him intel and ideas while being backed by the Halliburton Corp. to carry out the blue collar end of the deal

shall we compare the Clinton Administration to the current one in every aspect? numbers dont lie....

 

 

And if we were to start blowing the shit out of them we would have idiots crying we were to harsh on Iraq. It has already started with the restrictoins on interrigation. I agree there are better ways to fight this war but I believe we are doing the best we can. We were going to invade Iraq no matter what the excuse was. The fact is that some people believe President Bush should be tried for the deaths of U.S. soldiers. These are the same people that would cry foul because we bombed a hospital housing combatants. I think we should pull out immediately and time how long it takes all the peace loving organizations in the world to beg the UN to return to Iraq.

[DUNE-A-TIC]

There is a whole lot of ignorance running wild on the BHQ. Please do a little research on the changes in Iraq since our second occupation. It is not what your going to read in the general news, you will have to dig a little deeper than that and the courts of Iraq came to this judgement not us. We are not judging his deeds, his own people are. If anyone thinks we should pull-out,sit back, open our borders and wait for the next act of terrorism to just happen is a complete fool.

 

1. This is good news that hasn't been fit to print or report on TV.

 

2. It is much easier to point out the errors a man makes when he makes the tough decisions, rarely is the positive as aggressively pursued.

 

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1, the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty. Over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens. Nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning. The Iraqi judiciary is fully independent. Power generation hit 4,518 megawatts; exceeding the prewar average.

 

All 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open, as are nearly all primary and secondary schools. By October 1, Coalition forces had rehab-ed over1,500 schools-500 more than scheduled. Teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries. All 240 hospitals and more than 1,200 clinics are open. Doctor's salaries are at least eight times what they were under Saddam. Pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700 tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons. The Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccinations to Iraq's children.

 

A Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's 27,000 kilometers of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women. We have restored over three-quarters of prewar telephone services and over two-thirds of the potable water production. There are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect 50,000 connections by years-end.

 

The wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and towns. 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time customers are opening accounts daily. Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses. The central bank is fully independent. Iraq has one of the world's most growth-oriented investment and banking laws.

 

Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years. Satellite TV dishes are legal. Foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for "minders" and other government spies.

 

There is no Ministry of Information.

 

There are more than 170 newspapers. You can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner. Foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.

 

A nation that had not one single element-legislative, judicial or executive-of a representative government, now does. In Baghdad alone, residents have selected 88 advisory councils. Baghdad's first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city council elected its new chairman.

 

Today in Iraq, chambers of commerce, business, school and professional organizations are electing their leaders all over the country. 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government.

 

The Iraqi government regularly participates in international events. Since July, the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit.

 

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over 30 Iraqi embassies around the world. Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

 

For the first time in 35 years, in Karbala, thousands of Shiites celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam. The Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq. Uday and Qusay are dead-and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to the zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation, torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics.

 

Children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with the government.

 

Political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam. Millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror. Saudis will hold municipal elections. Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents. Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.

 

The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian, a Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy and for peace.

 

Saddam is gone. Iraq is free. President Bush has not faltered or failed. Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the Press Corps that prides itself on bringing you all the news that's important.

 

Iraq under U.S. led control has come further in six months than Germany did in seven years or Japan did in nine years following WWII. Military deaths from fanatic Nazi's and Japanese numbered in the thousands and continued for over three years after WWII victory was declared. It took the US over four months to clear away the twin tower debris, let alone attempt to build something else in its place.

 

Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of our brothers and sisters in this conflict, do you think anyone else in the world could have accomplished as much as the United States and the Bush administration in so short a period of time?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dune

Edited November 6, 2006 by DUNE-A-TIC

[rkc]

because they arent sitting on one of the largest oil reserves, or next to Saudi Arabia's.

 

 

 

what i have a beef with is that they (admin) see fit to lie to us (the public) about why we are there!

playing on Americans fears, for profit, is a travesty!

 

its a big game of chess where the poor are the pawns and the chess board is the oil field.

this administration sees that we need to position ourselves in control of the worlds oil for current/future profit and control. what drives the administration is greed from the petroleum industry connections. milking the cash cow

 

 

 

I'm sure you would have stood with the British monarchy and not the American colonies in the 1st revolution. There was much confusion and division about the truth at the foundation of our country also!

Edited November 6, 2006 by rkc

[Brooke]

Brooke, you have no rebuttle for me from my page 2 comments?

anyone who believes this whole war is just a big government conspiracy to get oil profits is a loon. i dont deal with far out conspiracy theorist loons. theres no point.

[helldriver]

There is no god

 

 

anyone who believes this whole war is just a big government conspiracy to get oil profits is a loon. i dont deal with far out conspiracy theorist loons. theres no point.

keep dancing my little bitch puppet ahahah

Edited November 6, 2006 by helldriver

[Bansh-eman]

ok for all you stupid fukin liberals and political knowitalls. if war isnt the answer what is? if you think we shouldnt be in iraq where should we be? and if you dont think we had any reason to protect our country from another 9/11 then what gives us a reason?

[rkc]

he didnt have the oil industry bankrolling his administration.

what America needs to do as a military power to preserve our oil consumption into the next century or corporate business men like Dick Cheney feeding him intel and ideas while being backed by the Halliburton Corp. to carry out the blue collar end of the deal

 

 

 

 

 

sounds like you're cynical on profit and paranoia fits the conspiracy edge! I'm sure you're consistent with your convictions and drive a prius to save us from our insatiable appetite of oil. and of course a gas guzzling banshee would be out of the question!

[Bigairee]

Well put dune-a-tic.

:beer:

[Cotton eyed Joe]

msn homepage has a poll up today

on weather you feel he he should be hung or not

71% wanted him hung out of 98k+ people ,...I wonder if the other 29% knew of his autrocitys , madness, and cruelty ?

The other 29% are fucking hippies that happen to have parked their VW Van next to a Starbucks with a wifi hotspot.

[helldriver]

there is no god

[rkc]

ok for all you stupid fukin liberals and political knowitalls. if war isnt the answer what is?

 

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"

Thomas Jefferson :thumbsup:

 

thanks for the reality check Dune

[Mullet Man]

ok for all you stupid fukin liberals and political knowitalls. if war isnt the answer what is? if you think we shouldnt be in iraq where should we be? and if you dont think we had any reason to protect our country from another 9/11 then what gives us a reason?

 

stupid fuckin liberals? Liberals arent the ones droaning blindly like a zombie in night of the living dead, behind a shit ton of lies and deceit.

stupid fuckin people are the ones who do not question why things are. "the only stupid question is the one that isnt asked!"

throw a history lesson at me about questioning motives and ideas.... heres one for you, if no one questioned anything, EVERYONE would still believe the world is fucking flat!

 

we SHOULD be overwhelming Afghanistan with thew troops that were instead sent to Iraq. we SHOULD be pressuring the shit out of Pakistan and President Musharraf to get in their northern boarder to find the people who REALLY caused 9/11.

 

we SHOULDNT be in Iraq monoplozing and exploiting the oil industry for greed and profit!

we DO NOT have the right to police the world without checks and balances!

 

 

BTW i'm not even a liberal, so eat a bowl of dick up with your tree hugging hippie bullshit.

 

I AM for truth, honesty and integrity!! which neither Liberals nor Convservatives know jack shit about!

[RNBRAD]

I don't agree with war, I don't condone it unnecessarily, BUT, this country (and many others) were brought to unity because of war. We cherish our freedom and our way of life, all brought about by democracy, which we have fought for. We feel all people should have this freedom and a right to choose their own destiny vs a communistic dictator choosing it for them. If we were to continue to hide our heads in the sand then these countries will continue to impose their will on the rest of the world (hitler). Communist countries breed hatred, terrorism, and want to destroy the freedoms of the western world. Why? Because freedom threatens the very existence of communism. This is why communist leaders have never liked the U.S., because of our political global influece of democracy. This will never end until we have a united (global) democracy where all countries can co-exist and be united with each other. Some say we should do something about N. Korea, some say Iran, Syria and so on. We have to start somewhere, though they key was to take Afhganistan to invade Iraq. We need to take Iraq to invade Iran and so on. This is not about oil or whatever you want to think about it, it's about the prospering of humanity. If someone can't look past the media and their personal biases and see the big picture, then you live your life based on confusion picking and choosing what those believe around you. All really not knowing what to believe so you pick a side afraid of being left in the dark.

 

If a person believes we should not be in Iraq, they should think of what it would of been like to free the Iraqi's in 20 yrs? More likely we woudl be fighting them from our borders. Lets go ahead and cut the tree down before it's roots damage our foundation. :thumbsup:

[Brooke]

I don't agree with war, I don't condone it unnecessarily, BUT, this country (and many others) were brought to unity because of war. We cherish our freedom and our way of life, all brought about by democracy, which we have fought for. We feel all people should have this freedom and a right to choose their own destiny vs a communistic dictator choosing it for them. If we were to continue to hide our heads in the sand then these countries will continue to impose their will on the rest of the world (hitler). Communist countries breed hatred, terrorism, and want to destroy the freedoms of the western world. Why? Because freedom threatens the very existence of communism. This is why communist leaders have never liked the U.S., because of our political global influece of democracy. This will never end until we have a united (global) democracy where all countries can co-exist and be united with each other. Some say we should do something about N. Korea, some say Iran, Syria and so on. We have to start somewhere, though they key was to take Afhganistan to invade Iraq. We need to take Iraq to invade Iran and so on. This is not about oil or whatever you want to think about it, it's about the prospering of humanity. If someone can't look past the media and their personal biases and see the big picture, then you live your life based on confusion picking and choosing what those believe around you. All really not knowing what to believe so you pick a side afraid of being left in the dark.

 

If a person believes we should not be in Iraq, they should think of what it would of been like to free the Iraqi's in 20 yrs? More likely we woudl be fighting them from our borders. Lets go ahead and cut the tree down before it's roots damage our foundation. :thumbsup:

nice post, well said!!!

[helldriver]

keep dancing my little bitch puppet hashashsh