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someone needs to explain this whole "bush is doing it for the oil" thing...how would invaiding iraq bring him gain? last i knew we wernt pillaging the country side for oil...i mean there are alot easier ways to invade a oil producing country..we are saudi arabias defence and they produce more oil. whats next we attacked germany in WW2 for sourkraut? sheeesh there was an evil threatening dictator over there to ya know!!! but no i guess it is easier to believe bush wanted oil instead of wanting to PROTECT THE FRIGGIN COUNTRY FROM TERRORISTS!!

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I'm not a democrat but I can tell an idiot from a mile away can you say bush?

That's not to say that kerry, gore, clinton etc. were not also idiots, they were too. only an idiot would think that another idiot can save them from their own problems. The fact of the matter is I have no faith in any of the idiots that get into office whether the won the popular vote or bought them. They are all idiots because they are just people who make mistakes. Some intentional {which I believe bush is a caniving weasel} and some accidental ut all mistakes none the less. bush just happens to be the idiot du jour.

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just to make a point as to looking agt this from only a single perspective....Everything is only percieved from a ospecific perspective, after all we are only human. But, right can be wrong and wrong can be right depending on your point of view...

 

Many countries would consider us the terorists. Perhaps not physicaly, but economicaly, which can in the end be JUST as devistating, if not more. Just another perspective, but it's no wonder so many countries hate americans in general, because we consider ourselves a democracy (I think its a fucking weak ass POS democracy but Hey I guess its better than most countries), which means that the majority of americans SHOULD share the views decisions and take responsability for the actions our governemnt and military make.

 

Another thing to mention regarding the war to all those young people...Do you realize that we will be paying this war off through increased gas/taxes etc for the next MANY years! 50 years or so more than likely, while the people dictating i are all rolled over in their graves?

 

And finaly, it's not just about should we be there or not regaurding Bush, it is also about the way Bush went against the UN and MANY other countries disregaurding them all, blowing them off and ignoring all other opinions etc. It's about the WAY Bush is running things and the decisions he is making, not just about wether or not he made the right decision to fight over there or not. Another move that will potentialy have horrible affects on our economy and foreign relations for years and years to come. Perhaps there will be even MORE terrorism now, and more enemies of the US.

 

And another note depending on where your views come from, we have likely killed more inocent people over there than were killed in 9-11 to begin with. I know war is war, but 2 wrongs do not make a right. And yes those POSs fight dirty, but innocent lives are innocent lives...

 

Also the timing was horrible for the war, which has added to the situation, we are right smack in the middle of a long religous war of which we should care little about But we jumped the gun and went right in, after all who cares about the rest of the world right?.

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OK guys if you've read this far read this to it's JMO but I have a point or two to try and make. first the most insucificant all the hoopla with the new FCC reg's and howard Srern were not caused or encouraged by Bush they were fueled by Janet Jackson and the boy toy (cant rember his name) during the S-bowl you know what I' talking about the public outcry over that was incredibal and the politicans responce is predictable

 

You're right, it did start with the Tit flash. However, they (FCC) are not just regulating Howard Stern, all DJ's are going through this, Stern is just the most popular so everyone hears his name. The local morning show here (Drew & Mike) made a comment yesterday about something they were reading, they said, "well, we would read this whole thing to ya, but we don't want to get fined again" I also read that cable T.V. would be next.

 

You have to understand that the FCC is not some large entity to govern all media. It's actual small in comparison to the capita of the U.S. and is subject to political pressure. Right now they are set on censering what we can hear on the radio. Like I said, they have mentioned that cable T.V. is next.

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Obviously another bush supporter... been to the same skoolz as the pres

perfect timing for bush to run... the whole country is overrun with people with 2nd grade reading and writing levels just like lil bush <_<

I'm going to write a bush campaign ad

welcum to mmmerica therr aint no terrrrizm no threts to ar cuntree cuz i bloo up evrrrthin i cuud find. my dawterrrz ar crak heds jus lyk th rest of mmmmerica ar borderz ar sicuuur agenst terrrisss becuz i went acroos the werld and bloo up my daadys enemeez but i kant keep my dawterz from gettin thar dope n wy shuud i. th longer thar dopd up th les i hav to be a guud dad an th mor tym i can spnd wastin mmmmericas monee an killin othr peepls kidz.

innywayz vot fer me... yoo dond hav a choyc nnywayz i payd fer them vots tuu

You mean that ^^^

What you don't speak illiterate inbread idiot lapdog for the oil industry.

I guess I don't either since I have no idea what bush is saying when the words are comin' out of his mouth.

Like I said before... don't we at the very least deserve a pres that speaks the language of the country he is hired to represent.

Lets not forget too... he is just hired help like the garbage man or the landscaper. You don't have to live with him, just fire him or wait til his contract is over and let him go. Just like any other business, you get rid the ones that don't carry their weight. A bad coach gets a few years to straighten out a team and if doesn't happen, you fire him how is this any different?

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well i couldnt read all of this but i read enough, that i had to say something. why do the people who think of themselves as so smart and elevated, always feel anything pro america is bad? i mean there was actually an earlier post that said do you guys ever listen to other countries news to see what they think?? NO CAUSE I LIVE IN AMERICA I AM AN AMERICAN AND THIS IS THE ONLY FRIGGIN' COUNTRY I WOULD GIVE MYSELF TO DEFEND!! why on earth would you care what europe thinks? what good thing has europe come up with in the past 200 years (great brittian excluded) well those germans have nice cars, and H&K but other than that europe has given us communism, nazism, and socialism. OH EUROPE YOU GREAT SOCIETY LET US BE MORE LIKE YOU SO OUR PENISIS CAN ROT OFF INSIDE WHORES AND OUR SOULS CAN SPAWN INTO COWARDLY PILES OF CRAP!!! come on this is insain, do any of you feel like were worse off not having sadam? any takers on that? then whats wrong with the war? there is evil in this world and ignoring it doesnt make it go away you have to do something and since most of us live in america why dont we support the butt kicking and defending of america bush is handing out. oh yeah i forgot because he cant talk well and that makes him an idiot. WELL IT SO HAPPENS THAT IDIOT IS PROBLY HIGHER EDUCATED THAN ANYONE ON THIS BOARD, AND IS A VERY BRIGHT GUY. SO GET A BETTER ARGUEMENT THAN HES DUMB, SO I DONT LIKE HIM BECAUSE EVERYTIME YOU SAY THAT SO SOUND A LITTLE DUMBER YOURSELF.........

 

 

dont mean to piss anyone off, im just passionate.....

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G.W. Bush?

bush-a greedy chickenhawk? Sounds right to me...

THE WAR IN IRAQ IS FOR OIL

all the contracts to rebuild the pumpjacks, make the pipelines, etc

are going to allied countries! Does "Joebob's oil co" based out of bagdad get to do the drilling? NO, American countries get all the work and the money.

TERRORISTS? US OR THEM?

"Terrorists"-or those bad ninja looking dudes- can be killed? Not really. If i shot your friend, would you not try to shoot me? Same for terrorists! When a US bullet kills someone, that someone's son, father, friend,etc is now bent on revenge! ARE WE STUPID? if each person in the US gave up 2$ a year in wages, and that money was spent on food,shelter, vaccines, water, etc for foriegn countries, THERE WOULD BE NO TERRORISM. Would you try to bomb a country that helped to save your village? no. Would you try to bomb a country for killing your mom with a "guided" tomohawk cruise missle? i would. So lets stop the killing circle, and just start trying to make the world a good place to live! that starts with kicking that

FACIST(the patriot act anyone? Lets give up our rights, itll be prison, what fun!), ELECTION STEALLING(Remember florida? funny how the pivital state in the election was run by Bush's Brother?) WIMPY(We, the few 2-stroke riders left in the atv world, do not know the word. But where was bush when the call was made? AWOL!!! Were was kerry? Fighting like a man.) DICTATOR("this sure would be easier if I was a dictator"-Bush, on his frustration towards the democratic process)

Asshole (he is.)

WHAT????

don't believe me if you like living in world without freedom. As for my facts. look up this shit on the net

Read "all fall down"

Goto www.michealmoore.com

etc

Sorry to ruin your day with the truth, but hey if you like being able to ride you 'shee- Sorry but that could be considered an act of terrorism- then don't vote bush. If you like being ass raped, then vote BUSH. Thank you for your time. :angry: BUSH

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This is def. my last reply on this topic. People like you need to pack your bags and get the hell out. I've never heard such b-s in my life. Your nuts man. Only thing about your topic that was correct was ruining my day. Simply because their are more people out there like you.

 

You are one messed up person.

 

I'm done on this one, it saddens me that their are people who actually believe this b-s. M. Moore, come on, mention someone who has some clout, not some Cali. left wing finatic.

 

I can't believe what I just read, go ahead a type some more of your sure IGNORANCE. Go ahead and put me dn as well because I will not reply on this topic again.

 

I apologize for reducing myself to immature name-calling.

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Why look at how the entire rest of the world percieves us? Hmmmmmm LET ME THINK! Maybe to widen my perception of the situation from MORE than one viewpoint, instead of a narrow interprative perception. If people always only followed what they were told think about what the world would be like! Maybe because Legitimation with force is never the correct answer.

 

The church says the earth is flat so it must be! And we all know that the rest of the solar system rotates around the earth. Who CARES what other people think, im a christian so the only opinion that matters must be the churches! LOL Did you know that it was only in the 90's that the church finaly admitted they were wrong about heliocentric theory? This is why it matters what the REST of the world thinks.

 

f*ck no I won't get out! I love this country and support our troops, I do however not agree with the way Bush is running things, and I never said I was against the war either! Posting my viewpoints and trying to understand others is doing MY part for this country. Just because I see where there could be improvement and write about it has NOTHING to do with not supporting my country, it's those of us that accept what they are told, and do no voice there opinions (when they differ from those in power who are running things) that need to re-think about doing their civic duty!

 

Michael Moore makes some good points in his films I especialy like "The big one", but it sucks that he has to distort facts to do so. Like when he talks about the Missel manufacturer in Bowling For Columbine, where he indicated that missles are made in the same town as those unfortunate students, he fails to neglect the fact they are were strictly Defensive missles like patriots that are used to defend and not to attack and blow up others! or about the plaque (spelling) on the airplane that supposedly states proudly that it succesfully killed thousands of people, which actualy just lists staticsics and a little info about the number of bombhing runs and it's use in the war...

 

its easy to twist facts or narrow the interpretative perception of them, which is why it is VERY important to look at things from various perspectives, only then can you fully understand your own.

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Hitler and Saddam as well as the former Soviet regimes all had a similar concept... like it or leave it. A persons naural right to freedom of thought AND speech are basic human rights. A few years ago the Iraqi monetary system was stronger than the dollar and there was an excellent healthcare system as well. But how could you enjoy it if you had to think and speak what the state wants you to say. Life is more than just having a job and being able to go to dinner. Heck they had that. A good life is based on a persons right AND ability to choose and speak his mind. If you'd rather have wealth and not be able to speak your mind, then your leader was just recently captured in a hole in the middle east.

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I support all kinds of bush, big ones, small ones, even shaved ones!! :dance:

don't forget the all-important landing strips!!!

 

on a serious note, i support what the president has done with our ever changing world, and to quote my favorite bumper sticker" what's our oil doing under their sand????" my only bitch with the president is his bowing down to the religious freaks with interfering with my 1st ammendment rights to freedom of speech, roe vs. wade, stem cell research, etc... it scares me that someone with so much influence from ultra-conservatives has the power to appoint i think 7 supreme court justices during this administration, who will have the power to make decisions for the remainder of their lives until they decide to retire. i don't want some religious wackos telling me what i can or can't hear on the radio, TV, cable because it is offensive, telling me that i can't have the right to an abortion(not that i personally need one), or controlling my ability to receive ground-breaking medical advances because they outlaw or think stem-cell research is "immoral". i just don't agree with so few having so much control over so many for a term which doesn't expire until they feel like stepping down. just my .02...

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