danysbanshee Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Alright i was wondering i have a 10 mil cub with around 100 horse, my weight is 135 lbs with a +4 out the front from stock length, with +2 a arms. Also a jja 40mm drag axle an22x11x8 14 ripper. I run on pretty much hard packed dirt with mix of clay,I have a wheelie bar but would like to not have to use it. Using a shock is what id like to do(kinda like a hillshooter setup) but i don't really know as far as height from the bottom of my chassis to the ground what the height should be, not only that but what kind of length swinger should be used so i don't have to use the training wheel... can anyone help me out on this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fappy'97 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Why not just run the bar? You'll have to run less aggressive tires w/ no bar IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshb Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I'd say at least a +12 with those tires. As far as I know as a basic rule of thumb you want the bottom of your chassis level with the ground. Sometimes a setup wants something a little different though. Other than giving you a general idea you'll have to tnt to figure out what it likes best. Also if you're not riding on support rough stuff I'd just get an adjustable strut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m671054 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Pretty sure swingarm angle is more important than lower frame angle. also tire ro affects frame height so doubt a measurement to the floor would help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danysbanshee Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 At anything past quarter throttle out of the hole I blister a 22x11x8 14 extreme with a +8 swinger an im still on the bar...the bike sits evenly level now. jus didn't know as far as riding in a dune what the normal height should be with the correct swing arm that will only pick up the front tires when i want it to... I drag race 300ft with it but would also like to ride it in the dunes tryin to find a happy medium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshb Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 It's all in what your setup likes. I've seen some like sitting high in the back, some where the swing arm is level and some where is a little lower than swinger being level. Put either smaller tires on it, get a longer swing arm or learn how ride it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshb Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I'd say start out with your stuff arm being level or higher. Get an adjustable strut to see where it likes it. Then measure it and get the length of Shaw you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m671054 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 So i reread the op. rippers on hard pack dirt? would that ever work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshb Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I was thinking that seemed a little off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87sheestillkickin Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I run a 14 over on my 10 mill cheetah with 14 extremes and it jus wheelies. So with rippers it would be even worse. Ill stick to my wheelie bar lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickedcarbine Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 At anything past quarter throttle out of the hole I blister a 22x11x8 14 extreme with a +8 swinger an im still on the bar...the bike sits evenly level now. jus didn't know as far as riding in a dune what the normal height should be with the correct swing arm that will only pick up the front tires when i want it to... I drag race 300ft with it but would also like to ride it in the dunes tryin to find a happy medium.Take the bike to whatever height is required to get the frame level yet give the swinger any where between 3-7* of angle. If the bike begins to just hook super aggressive to where you are lifting the front way up fix it with the clutch. In my opinion a chassis should be dialed to the point where it is violent enough to ruin parts or bog the motor. Then use the clutch to tame it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danysbanshee Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Thanx for the helpful insite trickedcarbine ill have to try out your theory and see how it goes,but joshb since you think i dont know how to ride or what i run on bring your pretty little pony up an run that not your trap. Are track condition is like no other in the country so if you think you know come to NEORVCA at ossipee valley fair grounds,Hiram Maine an run what ya brung or Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshb Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 You sir have issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinklerman Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 You sir have issues Haha. Kinda sounds that way.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINDYCITYJOHN400 Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Thanx for the helpful insite trickedcarbine ill have to try out your theory and see how it goes,but joshb since you think i dont know how to ride or what i run on bring your pretty little pony up an run that not your trap. Are track condition is like no other in the country so if you think you know come to NEORVCA at ossipee valley fair grounds,Hiram Maine an run what ya brung or Ok for starters don't go getting overly defensive with site members who read your post and offer info. (Even if they are questioning your set-up) Next, your asking for help and getting info from people including Josh. He didn't say you don't know how to ride…..He said once you get a couple adjustments made, learn how to ride the bike with that new set-up. (In other words…"Get Used To What It Likes") Next….I love when people say "Our ride spot is unlike any other in the country"….How the fuck would you know that? You have a special dirt that's only in a 4 square mile area and NO OTHER dirt is even similar? If THAT is truly the case….NO input from anyone can help you. Your looking for input from people who do this on a serious level and they a stumped by your use of your current set-up. Nobody called you out or bashed your choice in tire….it's just unconventional. I personally would say that if your in hard packed dirt/clay…then what is the point of a Ripper since you can't sink the whole paddle blade into the surface? I would think your just skimming the top of the surface with a big paddle. It's called too much tire and it makes launches overly aggressive and bogs motors requiring gearing to solve it. But your 130 and I'm 210…so if YOU feel it works for you…..Fine. Just don't get all Butt Hurt if people have a differing opinion. Trust me when I say……You were NOT shown any disrespect. But those who throw elbows on this site too easily get a quick lesson in unwanted negativity. LOL Good luck with your changes. I prefer a bike without a bar if you can manage it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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