I can't imagine going to the dunes without a two stroke to ride it would get boring riding a four poke. But this Trx450r bashing is crazy from what I have seen. My wife has a 05 450r with a 02 crf cam, esr intake, and exhaust. My brother in law has a Ktm 525xc with Ct exhaust and air box mods. In a drag race he cant get in front of the Trx. My buddy has a Yfz450 with the big three mods plus high comp piston and head work. The Trx can't beat him in a long race but in a short race I can. Maybe this Trx is just a freak.