I do alot of woods and trail riding. Most of the time, i can blaze for nearly 1/2 the day....minus the smoke breaks lol! ( Through my experience, if you roll yer 'Shee with a six-pack rack, your sub-frame is done for. Used mine for two rides and took it off. I know..."don't roll yer 'Shee", right?! If your not pushin' it, your not RIDIN'!!..... :cool: :cool: )