i raced some honda 450s yesterday in a sand pitt that just got rained on the day before so i had decent traction. at first, i was racing a z400, 400ex, and a 450r, the only one that came close was the 450, he would pull out about a bike length on the holeshot, but when i hit 4th i was pullin away and then we ran out of room
later on, i raced two more 450rs, both with a pipe and filter, a red and black one, the black was no competition at all, i dont think he could ride very good, but the guy on the red 450r, we were back and forth but i would alway pull away in the end