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You don't have to be a Bible scholar to know God's word dude. It's just this simple, the Bible says that Jesus is to be lifted up and exalted above EVERYTHING. God will NOT have any contemptuous spirits in his presence. God is WORTHY of being HUMBLE before. It is a very modest request on God's part don't you think? Indeed we should be thankful for His mercy and Grace that HE and HE alone bestows on believers. Also to strive to walk in the Light of Christ with deeds of love and a joyful heart. But the Bible also says to: 2 Timothy 4:2-5 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure SOUND doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. The Epistle Of Paul To TITUS 2: 11-15 11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority, Let no man despise THEE. No offense Iceman, but if you knew Jesus or the Bible, you would be in FULL support of rj and I. Matthew 8:11,12 11And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Notice that the children who sit down with the WRONG "God" are cast into outer darkness. The children of Jesus Christ are of the light: 1Thessalonians 5:4,5 Speaking of the second coming of Christ: 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Ephesians 5:13,14 13But all things that are reproved (you have not reproved yourself) are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light 5:20 Giving thanks always unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ: 6:6 "but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart".....12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places....23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace be with them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen. Notice 5:20 says God AND the Father, 6:23 says God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.. They are ONE. If that were not true the Bible would NEVER MIX THE TITLES, but it does FREQUENTLY because it is written to make it clear to those who Jesus said "should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their HEART, and should be converted, and I should heal them" . You will also notice that it says that it is "Gods will" to be a "servant of Christ". ****************************************************************** Isaiah 44:24-26 24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, AND he that formed thee from the womb, I AM the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF; 25That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish; 26That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers.... ****************************************************************** YOU HAVEN'T EXPLAINED ANYTHING. BUT I'M STILL LISTENING. TO BAD YOU AREN'T.

And guess what, if you are wrong about this, which you OBVIOUSLY ARE, then you are WRONG about HELL too! And since you seem to not understand how God could torture you for ever and ever, I'll tell you what has been revealed to ME. God doesn't torture you. Hell is this simple....God does not have to torture you for eternity. ETERNITY TORTURES YOU FOR ETERNITY...ever notice how you can tire so quickly of things that at first didn't really seem all that bad...maybe it was even fun for a while? ANYTHING FOR ETERNITY WITHOUT THE FATHER IS HELL. IF YOU DENY JESUS THEN YOU DENY THE LIGHT...YOU CAST YOURSELF INTO DARKNESS. God does not "withhold" light from the wicked. The wicked "withhold" light from THEMSELVES. HE DOESN'T TORTURE YOU, BUT YOU WILL SUFFER BECAUSE HE MADE THE SPIRIT ETERNAL. IF YOU DENY JESUS, YOU WILL CAST YOURSELF INTO DARKNESS FOR EVER AND EVER. God created everything, and since then, NOTHING is created and NOTHING is destroyed! It just changes state. Science has proven that. Have you ever noticed that there is much more darkness in the universe than light, yet light has all of the power? Ever notice how light cannot be explained in any real worldly terms. The best thing scientests have ever made up is that light is made up of something called photons that cannot be grasped or defined and these "photons" propogate through something they call "ether" which also cannot be grasped or defined. We have at least discovered that, at the speed of light, TIME BECOMES NON EXISTENT. TIME is the torture of eternity. Time is the torture of the first one to close his eyes to the Light (deny God), which was satan. 144,000 (or whatever) JEWS will be saved for their deeds. Gentiles MUST HAVE the GRACE OF GOD. God knew that the Jews would reject Him. Are you a Jew or are you a Gentile? Come to the light. Jesus said: Matthew 8:11,12 11And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Notice that the children who sit down with the WRONG "God" are cast into outer darkness. The children of Jesus Christ are of the light: 1Thessalonians 5:4,5 Speaking of the second coming of Christ: 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Ephesians 5:13,14 13But all things that are reproved (you have not reproved yourself) are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light 5:20 Giving thanks always unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ: 6:6 "but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart".....12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places....23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace be with them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen. Notice 5:20 says God AND the Father, 6:23 says God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.. They are ONE. If that were not true the Bible would NEVER MIX THE TITLES, but it does FREQUENTLY because it is written to make it clear to those who Jesus said "should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their HEART, and should be converted, and I should heal them" . You will also notice that it says that it is "Gods will" to be a "servant of Christ". Mathew 17:7-10 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? 8And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? 9Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. 10So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. I am forever a HUMBLE SERVANT of the LORD. I will defend His honor without recompence of reward, but simply because it is JUST and RIGHT and TRUE. ****************************************************************** Isaiah 44:24-26 24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, AND he that formed thee from the womb, I AM the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF; 25That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish; 26That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers.... ******************************************************************

Dude, you are taking this out of context as usuall. The whole Bible is accurate when taken IN context! You are totally missing the big picture because you are led as a lamb to slaughter by satan! Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 FOR BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED THAT ARE IN HEAVEN, AND THAT ARE IN EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE WHETHER THEY BE THHRONES, OR DOMINIONS, OR PRINCIPALITIES, OR POWERS: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM 17AND HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS AND BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST AND HE IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY, THE CHURCH, THE FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD; THAT IN ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE PREEMINECE. 19FOR IT PLEASED THE FATHER THAT IN HIM SHOULD ALL FULNESS DWELL All things have been created "BY HIM and FOR HIM". If Jesus was Michael the Archangel at the time of creation, would an angel have created all things for himself? Isa 43:7 says God created "everyone ... for my OWN glory...". Jn 1:3 says in reference to Christ, "All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence". How could Christ have been a created being if ALL things came into existence through him? If Jesus was a created being, then according to Jn 1:3, Jesus would have had to create himself. in Isa 44:24, God says that he "by myself" created the heavens and the earth and asks the question "Who was with me?" How come rj and I can answer these questions and you can not? Why are you denying Jesus when Jesus said that will surely rule you OUT of the Kingdom of Heaven? How come you still have not answered why God in the old testament and Jesus in the new testament both said that they are "Alpha and Omega the First and Last the Beginning and the Ending"????? There can only be ONE FIRST and ONE LAST! I have many more also that you cannot answer, but ANSWER THESE OR STOP WASTING EVERONES TIME!!!! Do you have a question that we cannot answer Mr. "take things out of context"? You have been cut assunder by the wolf in sheeps clothing. As I pointed out, you have no better or more accurate view than the Muslims!!! 15For this peoples heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their HEART, and should be converted, and I should heal them . 16But blessed are your eyes, for they see and your ears for they hear 17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them: and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. 18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. The tide was fully turned against you in this thread on the birthday of ADAM and SIN ...coincedence? HE HAS REVEALED HIMSELF Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. 22ALL things are delivered to me of my Father; and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son and he to whom the Son will REVEAL HIM!!! ****************************************************************** Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, AND he that formed thee from the womb, I AM the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF ****************************************************************** This SAYS IT ALL!!! THEY ARE ONE!!!!! The fat lady has sang her FIRST and LAST song!!! Do you still DENY the unspoken TRUTH of LOVE that ANY good Father would WILL for his Son to be greater than Himself... wouldn't you WILL for your son to be greater than you...to be smarter, to prosper more or whatever?...THAT IS THE LOVE OF A FATHER!!! Do you think the Father is not a GOOD Father?

That is the best that you can do? I'll move onto more questions that you CANNOT answer (I have a lot of them) after you answer this one. Why did you omit the very next couple of verses after the one that you just tried to misinterpret and take out of context. Why does it say Col 1:16 FOR BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED THAT ARE IN HEAVEN, AND THAT ARE IN EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE WHETHER THEY BE THHRONES, OR DOMINIONS, OR PRINCIPALITIES, OR POWERS: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM 17AND HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS AND BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST AND HE IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY, THE CHURCH, THE FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD; THAT IN ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE PREEMINECE. 19FOR IT PLEASED THE FATHER THAT IN HIM SHOULD ALL FULNESS DWELL So why are you taking things out of context? How can He have been created when He AND the Father are both ALPHA and OMEGA, FIRST and LAST? He is ONE with the FATHER, that has been more than adequately PROVEN. You are falling for the WRONG SIDE OF THE PARABLE because you "understandeth NOT and then came the wicked one and stole away that which was sown in your heart. YOU have received seed by the wayside. You have been cunningly deceived by the wicked one and made to think that you are wise and prudent, when the TRUTH will ONLY be revealed to BABES." CUNNINGLY DECEIVED YOU HAVE BEEN, JUST LIKE JESUS PREDICTED. YOU HAVE DENIED JESUS IN THE WORST WAY. You are also on the WRONG side of the parable of the SHEEP THAT IS DUMB BEFORE HIS SHEERER AS YOU ARE LED TO SLAUGHTER. You must receive JESUS like a child (babe). Your side of the parable does not stand up to TRUTH. THAT is the test and you are FAILING! So where is your answer? In Isaiah 44:6 God says: Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (do you see that? AND HIS REDEEMER the LORD of hosts"...they are ONE from the beginning of the beginning...they are BOTH FIRST and they are BOTH LAST because they are ONE! Therefore Jesus COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CREATED!) Isaiah 48:12 God said: Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he ; I am the first, I also am the last. Revelations1:8 Jesus said: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Revelations 1:11 Jesus said: I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: Revelations 22: 12-13 Jesus said: 12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Sooooo, how can this be, since by definition of these words, there can only be ONE first and ONE last? You think that you calling JESUS a creature AGAIN (Woe to you!!!) answers this? It doesn't. That is the best you can do? You CANNOT ADEQUETLY answer this because you are cunningly deceived by the wicked one to fall for the wrong side of the parable. You are WIDE on the path and NO WHERE NEAR the gate. How can you not know that you are DENYING JESUS his DIETY. THAT IS WHAT "WHOSOEVER SHALL DENY ME BEFORE MEN, HIM SHALL I ALSO DENY BEFORE MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN (who JESUS is ONE with, the are both FIRST and both LAST because they are ONE!) What is your explanation Mr. WRONG SIDE OF THE PARABLE? Remember this: 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15For this peoples heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their HEART, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16But blessed are your eyes, for they see and your ears for they hear 17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them: and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. 18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. In Isaiah 44:6 God says: Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (do you see that? AND HIS REDEEMER the LORD of hosts"...they are ONE from the beginning of the beginning...they are both first and they are both last because they are ONE! Therefore Jesus COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CREATED!) So where is your answer Mr. Jesus is a "creature". Admit that you cannot answer it with a preponderance of the evidence to justify being on the right side of the parable and I will give you another question if you would like. Guess what, not only are you wrong about this, but you are most definitely wrong, and again cunningly deceived, if you think you will get a second chance for salvation after you die . "ALL WILL FIND THAT THEIR DEEDS WERE NOT ENOUGH"! ESPECIALLY YOURS! Humble yourself and save your family! 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Humble yourself and save your family.

I knew that you would try to sidestep the issue when I digressed away from you with the last post above, but it is of no consequence, as your religion has been exposed as wickedly flawed and the victory of Jesus in this thread and in this world is emminent. So back to YOU. I could answer this a lot of ways but I will just ask you why it says, in the scripture that YOU pointed out in the spirit of Balaam, "God and His Father" ...here it is again: 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. See...Jesus is God and He is the Almighty. Jesus IS JEHOVAH! Your beliefs about Jesus are no more accurate than those of the Muslims! See! You did it again Balaam! It does not say "thought it robbery"...it says "thought it NOT robbery"..."who being in the form of God, thought it NOT robbery to be equal with God". Take your blinders off boy. All you have to do is cry out to Jesus and leave your cult and Jesus will save you as long as you tell someone else about the love of Jesus and not "bury your talent" for the Lord reaps where he does not sow and Jesus said: Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. The jehovah wittness won't kill you if you leave, like the Muslims will but I know that they DO make it very difficult. Your whole family would have to up and leave or else you would be condemned and shunned as an "apostate" even by your own family and they would be urged to disassociate themselves with you. Don't you think that is strange that they try to trap you in like that? Just like the Muslims. Here are two reasons that you do not know God: Matthew 13:10-19 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hea not, neither do they understand. 14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15For this peoples heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16But blessed are your eyes, for they see and your ears for they hear 17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them: and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. 18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. You don't have Jesus, and since you came into the Easter thread with your blasphemy, Jesus is stripping away that which you thought you had, as spoken in verse 12. It is easy to understand that Jesus is telling his disciples that they are HEARING AND LOOKING AT GOD IN THE FLESH, just as God had foretold. Those who don't accept God in the flesh are those whos "heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." The wicked one has stolen Jesus from you and made you think that you are wise and prudent. That is reason #2 that you don't know God. Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. 22ALL things are delivered to me of my Father; and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son Do you see that..."made in the likeness of men", by the Father and HE is ONE with the Father...don't you understand what "ONE WITH THE FATHER" means? Jesus said "I and my Father are ONE" and I will point that out more as I address the rest of your misinterpretations. Yep, that was God's plan for salvation, a test to see who will accept and believe his WORD (Jesus). Jesus got the WORD to all nations, as I pointed out in my last post, and even the Muslims are on the "path" for they do not deny Jesus as a prophet, just like you JW's, but that is why God says that the "path is wide but the gate is narrow" for the test is to receive Jesus like a "babe" and not as the "wise and prudent" Now look at you...it is Phil 2:5-8 and you already quoted that in the spirit of Balaam remember: 5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it NOT robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant... This is testament from Paul the Apostle and YOU KNOW that Paul thought Jesus to be ONE with the Father. Paul is saying to have in your mind that Jesus IS equall with God, just as Jesus, being in the form of God, KNEW THAT HE WAS the Son of God and as such IS equall with the Father. And how can you deny that ANY GOOD FATHER would WILL his SON to be greater than he. If you do not realize that, then you are NOT a good father yourself and as such, perhaps don't deserve to be with the Father, and you won't be if you do not accept and lift up Jesus, for it is written that He is the only way to God. This also does not work for you. Jesus is foretelling the Passion (his death on the cross) to his disciples and is comforting them. Of course God the Father is greater than God in the flesh. The Father is eternal, the flesh is not, but the spirit of the Father dwelt in Jesus in "all fullness" and the Bible says that you are supposed to bow down to and lift up the Son. Do I need to point out to you how many times Jesus is worshipped by various people in the Bible. This was at a time and place in history when worshipping anything but the "true" God could get you killed by your fellow man! Did Jesus rebuke those who worshipped Him? NO!!! If Jesus was not God, he certainly WOULD HAVE rebuked them, but HE DID NOT!!! Wrong. And who are you to say what Almighty God is capable of? He made everything out of nothing! Therefore, this is a very wicked statement that you just made. God is "not a man" that he should lie. Also, the son of man is "not a man" that he should repent. Jesus in not a man, therefore He has no need for repentance because he is ONE with the Father. Good job Balaam. This was even spoken to you of old Well, the verse you quoted right above this one says that Jesus "is not a man" so enough said on that. Yeah, and Jesus is ONE with the ALMIGHTY SPIRIT and Revelations says that Jesus is the ONE who will return to judge all who have not accepted Him. Who, being in the form of God, thought it NOT robbery to be equal with God:But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Do you see that? Jesus is equall with God, but MADE HIMSELF of no reputation and humbled HIMSELF for the salvation of His beloved creation of humanity.. When Jesus returns, THEN you will SEE HIM in ALL of HIS ALMIGHTY GLORY. The same TRUTH applies here as the explanation above, God humbled HIMSELF. God can do anything! Be everything! At the same time! The same TRUTH applies here as the explanation above. Your wrote ...I would NEVER utter such blasphemy in a million years!!! Woe to you!!! 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. This brings us back to the question (the first of many that I have for you) that you have been ducking, dodging, sidestepping and dancing your way around: In Isaiah 44:6 God says: Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (do you see that? AND HIS REDEEMER the LORD of hosts"...they are ONE from the beginning of the beginning...they are both first and they are both last because they are ONE! Therefore Jesus COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CREATED!) Isaiah 48:12 God said: Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he ; I am the first, I also am the last. Revelations1:8 Jesus said: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Revelations 1:11 Jesus said: I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: Revelations 22: 12-13 Jesus said: 12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Sooooo, how can this be, since by definition of these words, there can only be ONE first and ONE last? I have many more questions for you, but lets take them one at a time. I addressed and corrected every single one of your misinterpretations above, leaving no stone unturned, and it was EASY. Surely you can handle one question at a time.

For anyone still with us, here is a little insight as to the historical impact of Jesus Christ. Jesus backed up his claims of being "ONE with the Father" and the "only way to God" with miraculous works. Works so powerful that ALL "credable" religions HAD to embrace Him. Islam teaches that: * Jesus (Isa in the Qur'an) was one of God's many human prophets who were chosen to teach Islam to mankind at different stages; the final and completed stage being taught by God's final prophet, Muhammad. * Jesus was one of God's highest ranked and most beloved prophets sent for the guidance of Children of Israel and who was born miraculously without any human biological father by the will of God. * There is no god except the one true God. God does not have a son. Thus, as with all prophets, Jesus was a human being. * As with all prophets, Jesus was able to perform miracles, but only by the will of God. * Jesus renounced all worldly possessions and lived a life of strict nonviolence, abstaining from eating animal flesh and from drinking alcohol. * Jesus was neither killed nor crucified; but God made it appear so to his enemies. * Jesus is alive and will return to the world in the flesh along with the Mahdi once the world has become filled with injustice. Ahmadiyyas believe that Jesus survived the crucifixion and travelled to Kashmir (See Yuz Asaf). They also believe that references to the Second Coming of Jesus in religious scriptures are allegorical and refer to the arrival of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Ahmadiyyas are not considered Muslim by most mainstream Muslims. Some Muslims accept the Gospel of Barnabas as the most accurate testament of Jesus. However, almost all non-Muslim scholars dismiss this document as completely unauthentic. Muslims do not "repent and believe the gospel" as Jesus said to do. Muslim extremists are proof that Islam does not have the WORD of God. They think that they can martyr themselves to 40 virgins or something, yet they are forced to recon with the POWER that Jesus displayed...but like so many religions, they have the WORD of God twisted Judaism To the extent that Jesus is promoted as the Messiah, this claim is broadly rejected as heretical to Judaism. Jews do not believe in Jesus, especially as a prophet. Religious Jews view the world as unredeemed and are still awaiting the Messianic time. As for the historical personality of Jesus, Judaism has fewer objections to quotes attributed to him than they do with subsequent confessions by early Christian adherents, Paul in particular. Some believe that Jesus is mentioned as Yeshu in the Jewish Talmud, although many scholars dispute this. Joseph Klausner, a prominent Israeli scholar, was vigorous in asserting the Judaism of Jesus. Jewish religious authorities view Messianic Judaism as a Christian and not a Jewish movement. Jewish authorities at the time of Jesus rejected Christ basically because they were comfortable with the way things were at the time because the Jewish religious leaders had all of the power in their society and wanted to keep it. They could not understand God's WORD that supercedes yet goes hand in hand with their "written in stone" Torrah (law).. Nothing new for the Jews. They rejected God REPEATEDLY in the old testament as well and Moses bartered for God's mercy and prolonged their time. Other perspectives Hinduism The Hare Krishna sect of Hinduism believes that Jesus is the son of Krishna (who they believe is God the Father that Jesus spoke of), and they accept many of his teachings. The Bah

Let me show you verses 6& 7... 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Even you who uses the word Amen don't want to accept the fact that you always put the "Amen" at the end of the thought being conveyed. It is obvious that John is here speaking/writing on behalf of himslef, Jesus, and Almighty God. In fact Rev 1:1 shows that... 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 381149[/snapback] This is all that you said pertaining to Revelations in post #344, which you directed me to. Nothing about chapter 22:12-13...which I am curious as to where you got the WRONG idea that it was not attributed to Jesus. It is also interesting that you said: "God and his Father"...you just pointed out that Jesus is God. Good job Balaam. Amen. Jesus, as you know, is the ONE who was "pierced", and He is coming back with judgment for all who have rejected Him and "all kindreds of the earth shall wail" specifically those who have maligned (pierced) him, and you called him a creature and argue to strip him of his diety. You probably agree with some of the davinci code wickedness currently abounding. All of this perverseness concerning Jesus comes as no suprise to God. It has been written! Repent and proclaim Jesus as the ONLY way to the Father, for that also has been written! Another unspoken truth that you fail to realize is that any GOOD father would WILL for his son to be GREATER than he. With GOOD nurturing, that can be acheived. Would you not will your son to be greater than you...to be smarter, to prosper more or whatever?

Revelation 22:12-13 WAS spoken by Jesus...it is in red ink. So what are you talking about???? In Rev 22:12-13, Jesus Christ, the one who is "coming quickly", says of himself, " I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end". In Rev 1:17-18, Jesus, the one who "became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever", refers to himself as the first and the last. Rev 21:6, in speaking of God, says, "...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end ...". God is also referred to as the "first" and the "last" in Isa 44:6 and Isa 48:12. How can this be since by definition of these words there can only be one first and one last? Where is your answer?

Nice try, but that is not how this scripture applies to YOU and you know it. The metaphor is not lost on you...you get it, despite your veiled attempt at denial. You ARE YOUR definition of Jesus so it is not suprising that you would misinterpret the metaphor as applied to YOU. What about the question? Here it is again, as I said, just for starters: In Rev 22:12-13, Jesus Christ, the one who is "coming quickly", says of himself, " I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end". In Rev 1:17-18, Jesus, the one who "became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever", refers to himself as the first and the last. Rev 21:6, in speaking of God, says, "...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end ...". God is also referred to as the "first" and the "last" in Isa 44:6 and Isa 48:12. How can this be since by definition of these words there can only be one first and one last? The fat lady is singing and you are still dancing.

Acts 8:27-40 And behold, a man of Ethiopia, an euniuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethipians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, if thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest, And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both unto the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea. Like the scripture from Esaias that the eunuch was reading, you are as the sheep led to slaughter if you continue in the teachings of jehovah witness. You are also exactly as the eunich in this scripture, however thus far not as wise. If you were a logical person, you would realize that the doctrinal issues that we are in disagreement on, are defended and supported by rj and I with SIMPLE TRUTHS from the Bible. Your defensive efforts have been easily overpowered by these simple TRUTHS, as you dance around searching for explanation, and finally posting long winded replies with lots of scripture pasting, that ultimately do not soundly support your arguments. For example, here is a question for you...just for starters. RJ or I could answer it easily with simple truths from the Bible. Let's see your best effort to answer it: In Rev 22:12-13, Jesus Christ, the one who is "coming quickly", says of himself, " I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end". In Rev 1:17-18, Jesus, the one who "became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever", refers to himself as the first and the last. Rev 21:6, in speaking of God, says, "...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end ...". God is also referred to as the "first" and the "last" in Isa 44:6 and Isa 48:12. How can this be since by definition of these words there can only be one first and one last? The fat lady is singing and you are still dancing.

Yep, now your getting it. Once you come to Jesus you have come to God. Jesus could have "held something back" from his manifestation in the flesh, but it pleased the Father that in Jesus should all fulness dwell. In Jewish imagery,

Well God bless you. I will pray for the health of mother and child and that all goes smoothly. Practice makes perfect .

Holy shit thats funny.

Jesus said "no man knows who the Son is but the Father; or who the Father is but the Son" and that "no man cometh unto the Father, but by the Son". NO WHERE in the Bible does it prescribe a limit to the power of Jesus, in fact it says that it pleased the Father that in Jesus "should ALL FULNESS DWELL". No where in the Bible does it prescribe a limit to the amount of praise that we should have for Jesus, in fact ALL praise to Jesus PLEASES the Father. Your efforts esteem as of ordinary value the blood of the covenant. Anything out of your mouth about Jesus that is anything short of exaltation does not honor the Father. You should know that and if you didn't, now you do...

Here Jesus is simply saying that his Spirit is eternal, as opposed to the flesh which is not. This in no way refutes the very clear scripture where Jesus said himself that he IS the Father. John 14:6-9 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then Shew us the Father? You can in no way refute this, and if I were you, I would be afraid to even try. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell

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John 14:6-9 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then Shew us the Father? It is obvious here that Jesus is subordinate to NOTHING. Rather, he is to be exhalted above EVERYTHING.

1 Corinthians 2:12-14 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Luke 10:22-24 22ALL things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son; and he to whom the Son will reveal him. 23And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see: 24For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. To me, it is very clear in this passage that Jesus is saying that he is God and the Holy Spirit is also God, the Holy Spirit being "he to whom the Son will reveal him". You can think of Jesus and the Holy Spirit as God's "arms", but they are one. That is also why Jesus says that his disciples are blessed to see Jesus, for many have desired to see and hear God.

I was watching a program the other night about a project at the St Louis Zoo. It talked about the development of an extensive new habitat for the primates. Previously, the primates exhibit was indoors and they were caged. The new habitat is outdoors and has been carefully engineered to accomodate the needs of the apes and chimps etc. In the new open environment, the primates are hard to track as individuals because they essentially look so much alike from a distance. However it was essential to track them as individuals because the scientests at the Zoo monitor and study their behaviour both as individuals and as a group. A high tech system was employed that tracks the individual behaviours of each animal. The program did not speak to this but I would imagine that if one ape or group in the habitat became diruptive to the other groups, or to the habitat, the scientists would possibly have to intervene. In that microcosm, we are essentialy god to the apes. That being said, it is somewhat ludicrous to me and seems very arrogant that humans would think that we are king of the UNIVERSE. At the risk of sounding heretical, I'll add to this, and invite criticism by rj or dave or anyone else by saying that evolution does not present a problem for my open heart and open mind of who God is. The Bible says that "no man knows who the Son is but the Father, or who the Father is but the Son; or he to whom the Son will reveal him". What I do know is that God is not constrained by space and time. If God planted the seeds for life with foreknowledge of our evolution (3billion years or whatever being nothing to God) and KNEW when human conciousness had dawned on his creation i.e Adam, then the Bible is true despite evolution. Science will never find God because the search for truth with natural science is confined to the methods employed for the search i.e. math, physics etc. None of the sciences fully explain all aspects of human conciousness and there are no doubt many other things that man will never discover without God. Jesus revealed the TRUTH in no uncertain terms. It was 2000yrs ago and Jesus is still revealing the truth to all who will listen. For the record, the abstract (sorry RJ, I'm the one who is abstract with the interpretation ) interpretations above are nothing more than an anology and have nothing to do with my faith, which I found as a child...but who knows. I have only been to church a handful of times in the last twenty years but I know that Jesus has been with me all along and I know I have to keep his word. Oh yeah, and Brooke, I'm sorry I hit you up trying to get you to trade inappropriate pictures with me in pm that one time. I think I may have been drinking, and I knew not what I done...or something . She was having no part of it by the way, for what seemed like virtuous reasons. I did however get some VERY attractive appropriate pictures of her . I hope to have better judgment in the future as I plan on keeping Jesus much closer. Thanks rj, Dave and everyone else who contributed to this thread.

RJ!!! You just ruined the perfect number of posts that this all had settled on. 316!!! John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life I'll delete mine if you delete yours and we can all just let it be No offense bro, but you can't sum up salvation with abstract interpretations like that without losing a lot of people. You almost lost me.

Well, if in your wisdom you have seen the error of my ways, why do you attempt to follow that same path which you condemn? What is it in you that has been challenged?

Jesus loves you KGL. Keep searching bro. Don't be afraid to open your heart to God. Luke 11:24-26 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest: and finding none, he saith, I will retun unto my house whence I came out. And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and ganished. Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Luke 11:28 blessed are they that hear the word of God and keep it. Luke12:8-9 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. Well, it seems that if "Jesus" is just a word to you that you don't properly understand, you may be forgiven for not having accurate knowledge of the truth. BUT if you SENSE accurate knowledge of the TRUTH i.e. the Holy Spirit, and you deny THAT, it shall not be forgiven.