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rkc, I appreciate your presence and your pre-sense. Congratulations on suffering helldrivers ridicule of school yard proportions with such grace. 41So they left the presence of the Sanhedrin, rejoicing that they had been found worthy to suffer dishonor for the sake of the name. "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear". 1John 4:18 I agree Deuce. Any dog will bite out of fear. As to your question, imo the understanding is to be found with the daughter; but also the son in this case. I believe that the father can easily restrain the good son who will only suffer a bruised heel in his victory over the evil temptation, but a gun in the hand of the bad "son" will probably get someone shot. What if the son can see an intruder behind the daughter that no one else can see? Do you trust a good son to take the shot? I think that it is most wise for the son to call attention to the father and to wait for the father to make his move in this case. If the gun were in the hand of the daughter, just wait until she starts shooting and have faith that she misses you or that the father intercedes. Trust in God to equip you with the means to keep your family safe. Amazing question really.

You've got Jesus all wrong helldriver. Read this very carefully PLEASE.... The REAL Jesus abolished all of your arguments, helldriver. Once again, Jesus did away with all of that old testament Levitical religious rule which established a high court called the Sanhedrin which really did have people killed for not believing as they ordered, just as they had Jesus killed. Jesus is actually the coolest dude ever, when you get to know him. .

Word!!!...and brooke and Meat and RNBRAD too. I efficiently wish you all a pleasant and productive year. :beer:

27When they had brought them in and made them stand before the Sanhedrin, the high priest questioned them, 28"We gave you strict orders (did we not?) to stop teaching in that name. Yet you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and want to bring this man's blood upon us." 29But Peter and the apostles said in reply, "We must obey God rather than men. 30The God of our ancestors raised Jesus, though you had him killed by hanging him on a tree. 31God exalted him at his right hand as leader and savior to grant Israel repentance and forgiveness of sins. 32We are witnesses of these things, as is the holy Spirit that God has given to those who obey him." 33When they heard this, they became infuriated and wanted to put them to death. 34But a Pharisee in the Sanhedrin named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, respected by all the people, stood up, ordered the men to be put outside for a short time, 35and said to them, "Fellow Israelites, be careful what you are about to do to these men. 36Some time ago, Theudas appeared, claiming to be someone important, and about four hundred men joined him, but he was killed, and all those who were loyal to him were disbanded and came to nothing. 37After him came Judas the Galilean at the time of the census. He also drew people after him, but he too perished and all who were loyal to him were scattered. 38So now I tell you, have nothing to do with these men, and let them go. For if this endeavor or this activity is of human origin, it will destroy itself. 39But if it comes from God, you will not be able to destroy them; you may even find yourselves fighting against God." They were persuaded by him. 40After recalling the apostles, they had them flogged, ordered them to stop speaking in the name of Jesus, and dismissed them. 41So they left the presence of the Sanhedrin, rejoicing that they had been found worthy to suffer dishonor for the sake of the name. 42And all day long, both at the temple and in their homes, they did not stop teaching and proclaiming the Messiah, Jesus. Acts 5 edit: My master/dog example was actually a very poor illustration. Once again, it is more like this: Galations 4 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

I knew that you would choose not to comprehend, but most everyone else does. Like I said, I'm sure that if one of your rottwielers were so disrespectful of you that it would bite you or someone you love ever chance it got, you would get rid of it and the stupid mutt would deserve it. To put it back into human terms, a much wiser approach is to not tip the scale of injustice by bashing peoples beliefs in God, but simply to be cautiously humble before the great unknown as we all move forward in discovery.

What do you mean? Most of us are trying to have a mature discussion about the probability of God. Helldriver just happens to be the odd man out, with his purely anti-christian rhetoric and he keeps coming back for more. What does it matter to you if helldriver keeps having his ass handed to him? ---

Right on Kieth. I'm going to try a simpler anology here for helldriver though. Have you ever cared for any animals HD? Lets say that you have yourself some dogs that you care for. Most are affectionate, wag their tails and lick you when you feed them. You might even give them some treats. The mutual love grows. One dog however chooses to growl and snap at you every single chance it gets. What do you do if you can not correct that behaviour with love? I'll tell you what you do, you either beat the shit out of it, or get rid of it, or beat it and then get rid of it. God is perfect strength and justice in perfect equilibrium with perfect love and mercy. You'll get what you deserve. I'd start wagging and licking if I was you HD. It is not wise to growl and snap at the master. But once again you still think that we are only one small step above some shit flinging monkeys (plenty of shit flinging goes on around here, I'll grant you that) but at the same time you think we are the most intelligent thing to ever grace this universe. Thats not very likely when you think about it.

You have already been owned on your Levitical arguments that you keep repeating. The bible shows that Jesus is of a Holy different order that both precedes and supercedes the order after which you repeatedly quote. As long as you continue to be a thief from Jericho I will continue to be a Samaritan who will come to the aid of those who believe in our Saviour Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein, Hebrews 13:8-9

Blah blah blah... What do you want to do helldriver, kill Christians? We are your brothers and sisters. We are like mastercard...everywhere you want to be. Jesus did not demand worship but he did accept it. He came speaking the truth and plainly said that he came as a sword of division. He is the fulcrum, the balance (division) point and the equilibrium between strength/justice vs mercy/love. God prefers the offering of mercy and love but he knows that there are those who will not even accept that, and out of spite some will attempt to tip the scale with all of their strength into what they perceive as justice (works both ways, I'm not blind to my own hypocrisy). It is not profitable to expect more from God (proof) instead of being happy with what we have. I also suspect that it is not profitable to expect those to believe who choose not to, just as it is not profitable to exhalt one mans "path" over another, however we all must come to terms with the revelations of God as they are revealed. This type of understanding comes by way of Jesus and is perhaps one of the reasons it is written that he is the way and the truth and the life. Perhaps the entire universe is the macro-cosmic brain of God and operates on unperceivable cosmic mechanics that in some way shape or form might even mirror our own neurological bio mechanics. We can't even rule that possibility out because the understanding of even the greatest cosmologists is still and will always be no more than a child like understanding. In order to simplify data transmission, electrical engineers developed a system of piggy-backing the data onto a carrier or source signal. Everything is derived from the wavelength of the stable carrier. If the data were transmitted at the same wavelength as the carrier it would not be possible to extract it from the source as a distinct signal of it's own. Perhaps all of our existence really is dependant on a source signal that was "spoken" by God. I don't know, once again "let God be true..." I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. I'm sure that it is possible that we may all come to a similar understanding through the Word without having to offend each other but I know that I often times fall short. Like rkc said, we all must have faith and we rely on it everyday. In the ultimate sense of our existence though, once again, you either have faith in God or you have faith in the thought that ULTIMATELY our complete existence is meaningless and ultimately NOTHING will matter. Wait a minute though, things DO matter, in fact things ARE matter. Imagine that.

The bible doesn't make any specific claim as to the age of the universe. Other than that, if you could fully describe and define that which is infinite, it would then be reduced to finite. Therefore demanding "proof" is akin to saying that you would believe in God if it could be proven that God is not really God. We all have faith. You either have faith in God or you have faith that our existence is ultimately meaningless. One or the other.

My dad and I made it to our fishing hole on Easter Sunday this year. It's about a 1.5 mile walk, round trip. He's 78 and has smoked for most of his life. He stopped once on the way back to catch his breath. It was weird because while he was resting, a helicopter started hovering over the top of us. Come to find out later on the news, two brothers had gone out into the woods on the SIUE campus to look for mushrooms and they got separated. One of the brothers called the police and a search went out. The other brother, when he realized that he was lost, decided to make the long walk home and was chilling at the crib. :shrug: My dad did really good on the long walk though. The next week, he couldn't make it out of bed to the bathroom. He just didn't have enough air in his lungs to make it. He has been down like that ever since and is in the hospital now for the second time. He is keeping a positive attitude and we are hoping for the best. I feel for you tit. Hang in there buddy. :beer:

Wow, what a diplomat. Still waters run deep but that was pretty shallow. Hey brooke, why don't you start up a new banshee website since you are a designer. I bet alot of good members here would jump ship after this shit. Just a thought. Long live Planet Sand!!!

I agree. Lee, how about flexing some muscle and cleaning this place up a little. If someone gets on here just to irritate people and is CONSISTANTLY disrespectful to other members, you should get rid of them. That's how it is on any moderated website and that's how it should be. I'm definitely pulling the plug on my membership if I have to put up with this for much longer. I know you won't miss my $30 a year or whatever and it's nothing personal, it's just principal. I think overall it is clear that HD does not intend to bring anything positive to these forums. Actually he did bring something positive DESPITE his intentions, but it has ran it's coarse and people are fed up with his bullshit. So what say you sir?

Yeah I edited my last post. I didn't mean to imply that you suggested a chicken little response, which you clearly didn't. I actually had heard of this but never got the real jist of it. I assumed that it was just a very loosely based metaphor for the cold war and never really considered that it was based on true scientific "estimates" and periodically adjusted as a threat barometer, which I still can't fully fathom.

Tell me more. :baseball_mitt: Anyone who worries about that stuff is not made perfect in the love of Christ. Doomsday, no doomsday...eh whatever. Thy will be done. Don't get me wrong, I'd do anything to stop it if I could but running around screaming the sky is falling won't help.

I did not know this. Thanks. Very interesting. Do you think it is possible that it has relevant esoteric meaning and is based on more than just probable threat estimates? Made me think of that Linkin Park song: It's going down The logical progression on the timeline The seperation narrowed down to a fine line

Ahhhh..... huh? Bulletin of atomic scientists? Doomsday? What, are we reaching critical mass or something? We got too many fat people in this world. Thats the problem. haha

Sir, with all due respect, you rule! Good post all the way around bad99. :beer:

:thumb: There's a few things to look for before that happens. I started to post some things but nahhh. Wtf do I know. I know all I need to know. :thumb:

Seven minutes? The song says two. What, are we sweeping through Greenland there? j/k Kill for gain or shoot to maim But we dont need a reason The golden goose is on the loose And never out of season As the madmen play on words and make us all dance to their song, To the tune of starving millions to make a better kind of gun. Seriously, did you guys here about the latest terror network? Here's the report I ran across: At New York's Kennedy airport today, an individual later discovered to be a public school teacher was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a setsquare, a slide rule and a calculator. At a morning press conference, Attorney General John Ashcroft said he believes the man is a member of the notorious al-gebra movement. He is being charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction. "Al-gebra is a fearsome cult," Ashcroft intoned. "They desire average solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like "x" and "y" and refer to themselves as "unknowns," but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval, with coordinates in every country. As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, there are 3 sides to every triangle," Ashcroft declared. When asked to comment on the arrest, President Bush said, "If God had wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes." The President added: "I am gratified that our government has given us a line that it is intent on protracting us from these math-dogs who are willing to disintegrate us with calculus disregard. Murky statisticians love to inflict plane on every sphere of influence." The President concluded: "Under the circumferences, we must differentiate their root, make our point and draw the line." President Bush warned, "These weapons of math instruction have the potential to decimal everything in their math on a scalene never before seen unless we become exponents of a Higher Power and begin to factor-in random facts of vertex." Attorney General Ashcroft added, "As our Great Leader would say, read my ellipse. Here is one principle he is uncertainty of: though they continue to multiply, their days are numbered as the hypotenuse tightens around their necks." Everyone has probably already seen that except me. If so, sorry. hehehe

rkc here is one of many lines of thought that you could discuss with your wife if she is still confused about who Jesus is. Genesis 49:10 10The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come: and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. Shiloh means "place of rest". Judah of course lost it's "sceptre" with the destruction of the temple in 70AD and they lost the ability to judge capital cases about 40 years earlier. Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel: whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting The Messiah came out of Bethlehem. 4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons, 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. Galations 4

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Are we reviling and persecuting and saying all manner of evil against helldriver? Are we doing it for Jesus sake? If our accusations are false, helldriver could be blessed, and I hope that he is. God may have him in the dark at this time for a reason. I have faith that he will eventually step into the light. Blessed are the peace makers, for they shall be called the children of God.