FireHead Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 I dont see that as making much of a difference. 1) The strap trick is to get the beads to meet with the rim, not actually seat them. 2) Its going to take the same pressure regardless. Its probably worth the ten bucks a shop would charge you to remove the tires. Then clean the beads really well with a wire wheel, and remount them. The ratchet strap makes a big difference. You can pump as much air as you want as fast as possible into some tires, but if you don't have something sort of holding the bead near te rim you won't be seating anything. :thumbsup: On a larger tire, sometimes you have to get out te big ass strap and come-along. Quote
racer Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 The ratchet strap makes a big difference. You can pump as much air as you want as fast as possible into some tires, but if you don't have something sort of holding the bead near te rim you won't be seating anything. :thumbsup: On a larger tire, sometimes you have to get out te big ass strap and come-along. I agree with that part, but the amount of pressure you put in the tire remains the same. If it takes 50 psi of force to push that bead over the rim thats what it takes. Not all tires are the same, I'm just saying my experience some take a lot of force. Quote
Bansh-eman Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 the reason it takes say 50lbs to pop the bead is becasue the air is expanding up so to get the whole tire to stretch until the bead pops requires more pressure. by using the strap you leep the tire from needing to expand more in all directions to achieve the stretch you need in only one direction... its one of those things that if i could show you it would be easier to explain. typing it is a little more difficult Quote
David Keith Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 If you everything cleaned off & it still leaks, why not try some "green slime"? (www.slime.com) Quote
dave95.1 Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 The ratchet strap makes a big difference. You can pump as much air as you want as fast as possible into some tires, but if you don't have something sort of holding the bead near te rim you won't be seating anything. :thumbsup: On a larger tire, sometimes you have to get out te big ass strap and come-along. I'm getting the ether out before I mess with a come-along. I've had a few pickup tires that the strap didn't do the trick, but the ole ether never fails. CAUTION: Do not try this at home.. :biggrin: Quote
JJgage30 Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 Tire Slime works great. I have aluminum ones and it sealed it very quickly. Sometimes you will have to ride it a couple of times to distribute the slime but after 20 to 30 minutes no more problems... I cant get 2 of my tires to hold air, looks like its coming from the bead? its allways been the same 2 tires Quote
racer Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 by using the strap you leep the tire from needing to expand more in all directions to achieve the stretch you need in only one direction... I dont see how pressure figures into that at all. i mean as a fluid air pushes equally in all directions, so what you're limiting where it stretches. The pressure will remain the same, even if the volume is reduced. Quote
Bansh-eman Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 ahhh jesus your killing me. im trying to figure out how to type it so you can visualy see what im trying to explain. ok your set a bead without any aid. the tire stretches in all directions right? right. well because there is more surface area for the tire to expand up and the sidewalls are stiffer then the tread it will strech more upwards. meaning to get the side walls to reach far enough to the beads to seat them you have to add more pressure and at time bounce the tire off the ground. now do the ratchet strap. you first off are squezzing the tire in the center making the edges puch outwards to be closer to the bead. but thats not as much of an effect as the next part but it does help. now with the strap on the tire can not expand in the direction of least resistance (upwards) so the pressure is forced to go to the next place. the sidewalls. so you do not need as much pressure to get the tire to pop over the bead and seat it. i dont know how else to say it. if you dont belive me, try it. its not my opinion, its a fact. Quote
dave95.1 Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 I think you're going to have to put it in some looooong mathematical equation. He is an engineering student!! :biggrin: Quote
FireHead Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 I think you're going to have to put it in some looooong mathematical equation. He is an engineering student!! :biggrin: Generally when engineers don't get something like this, they have to go out and see if in-person for themselves or possibly even try it themselves. :geek: Quote
dave95.1 Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 That's because they're too stubborn to listen to experience!! I'm sending you a pm by the way. Quote
Bansh-eman Posted June 16, 2007 Report Posted June 16, 2007 I'm getting the ether out before I mess with a come-along. I've had a few pickup tires that the strap didn't do the trick, but the ole ether never fails. CAUTION: Do not try this at home.. :biggrin: ether is bad jewjew... i dont try that shit anymore... we had a tire and rim blow the fuk up before... the dude fukin soaked it and dropped a match the bead pop in a matter of secs but there was so much fukin ether it kept burnning until the thing blewup Quote
dave95.1 Posted June 16, 2007 Report Posted June 16, 2007 ether is bad jewjew... i dont try that shit anymore... we had a tire and rim blow the fuk up before... the dude fukin soaked it and dropped a match the bead pop in a matter of secs but there was so much fukin ether it kept burnning until the thing blewup I could see that happening if you're not careful. I've had truck tires that weighed about 150lbs jump 4ft off the ground. I bet that was loud as hell when it turned loose. Quote
FireHead Posted June 16, 2007 Report Posted June 16, 2007 I could see that happening if you're not careful. I've had truck tires that weighed about 150lbs jump 4ft off the ground. I bet that was loud as hell when it turned loose. We have been going through alot of tires here in Vegas and watching those tire guys do their thing reminds me why I am not a tire guy............ Quote
racer Posted June 16, 2007 Report Posted June 16, 2007 i dont know how else to say it. if you dont belive me, try it. its not my opinion, its a fact. I know it works, I have done it. Thats not what I'm arguing, I just dont see it affecting pressure. Oh well, lets drop it. haha. Dave's right, gimme some equation. haha Quote
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