Pocket Darts Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 (edited) I have read just about every post in these forums concerning my problem. I have noticed you members provide very intelligent responses. My problem is my banshee wont shift into 2nd neutral, 1st or 5th. I've already removed the old clutch and replaced it with a new one. The old clutch was a mess and left gasket chunks all over the place. I thought a new one would fix the problem. It didn't I noticed alot of you guys were refering to the shift star and all the other controlling mechanisms. i checked them and they all seem to be fine. When I shift down eventually the shift star stops inbetween 2nd and 3rd. I mean that little wheel underneath the star stops at the tip of the star point in between 2nd & 3rd. The same goes for inbetween 4th and 5th. I tryed to manually spin the star with a screw driver and it wont budge to go the rest of the way into 2nd. I really don't want to split the case because i think i will only cause more problems for myself. Plus i'm broke and can't afford $1000 for someone to do it for me. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what may be wrong? Edited May 23, 2005 by Pocket Darts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolyKarbon Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Bump. Someone please help this guy, I dont know the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouperSport Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Did anything break to warrant replacing the clutch? Any noise (rattling or anything) inside the case? All the gears inside the clutch cover look good? I had the same problem with shifting when my starter gear on the clutch broke. I found the pieces got wedged underneth the shift lever (next to the shift star). But since you have already removed the clutch cover and looked, I'm guessing it's not that. You might want to make sure that gasket material you mentioned isn't somehow wedged in there. If it's getting stuck, then it's likely some debris or something wedged in there keeping it from shifting. If you cannot find anything in the clutchside of the case doing so, then it will probably be inside the case. I would recommend, before you consider splitting the case, that you remove the shift shaft and make sure the roller is not somehow jammed up (which you will have to remove before splitting the case anyway). If you cannot find anything there, then its probably inside the transmission and you will probably have to split the case. Somethings jamming it up so keep looking... hope that helps. Good luck!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C&B Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I have read just about every post in these forums concerning my problem. I have noticed you members provide very intelligent responses. My problem is my banshee wont shift into 2nd neutral, 1st or 5th. I've already removed the old clutch and replaced it with a new one. The old clutch was a mess and left gasket chunks all over the place. I thought a new one would fix the problem. It didn't I noticed alot of you guys were refering to the shift star and all the other controlling mechanisms. i checked them and they all seem to be fine. When I shift down eventually the shift star stops inbetween 2nd and 3rd. I mean that little wheel underneath the star stops at the tip of the star point in between 2nd & 3rd. The same goes for inbetween 4th and 5th. I tryed to manually spin the star with a screw driver and it wont budge to go the rest of the way into 2nd. I really don't want to split the case because i think i will only cause more problems for myself. Plus i'm broke and can't afford $1000 for someone to do it for me. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what may be wrong? 372950[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C&B Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Are you rocking it back and forth as you try to shift from 1 to 2nd? You may have debris in the tranny. you can safely flush the trans with youre fuel, or desiel. Is the shift pin adjusted correctly? This can cause the trans to hang up. Let us know. Later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1800bigk Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 (edited) sounds like possible bent shift forks. Do you like to work on things? I would not pay anyone to work on my shee. You can remove the enigne and split the cases with a regular hand tools and sockets. If you have access to air tools , even better. Just keep track of all the parts and you'll be fine. when you pull the top case off you have access to evey thing. Edited May 25, 2005 by 1800bigk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boonman Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Have you tried adjusting the shifter resting position? There is an eccentric screw that moves it about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Have you tried adjusting the shifter resting position? There is an eccentric screw that moves it about... 373522[/snapback] did the eccentric screw come only in center years? cause i broke mine and it was round, and when i replaced it when a genuine yamaha part it too was round. whats the deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Darts Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 C&B: I tried rocking it back and forth, but nothing happened. The tranny flush doesn't sound like a bad idea at all. There was alot of debris from my old clutch in there. Chuncks of the gasket came out the the oil. How do you flush it? Just pour gas in through the clutch side and shake the machine around i'm guessing. Also the shift pin you spoke of, i'm going outside to see if I can find it. (i have my fingers crossed). SouperSport: Everything seems to be clean on the clutch side I will check the shift shaft though. Hopefully that is the problem. 1800bigk: Yea, i'm going to order one of those clymer manuals everyone speaks of in here before i begin the project. Also it will be a good learning experience for me. Boonman: I'm going outside right now to mess with that essentric screw you talked about for the shifter resting position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Darts Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 (edited) Ok, this is weird but I don't know what i just did. I was messing around with it and now the tranny will only shift between 1st neutral and second. I can't get it into third. It's getting hung up inbetween second and third. I can't force the star to spin all the way into third. It seems I have to take off the clutch basket to further inspect it. I can't get that big nut inside the clutch to break free. Is there any tricks to break it loose? Is it a reverse thread by any chance? Boonman: I can't seem to find the shift rest position (is that essentric screw in the center of the star?). Do I have to get the basket off to find it? 1800bigk: Do you think it could still be bent shift forks even though it now for some reason will shift into different gears. Also I pulled the stator side cover off and found water in there (alot). there was also alot of rust. Man this sucks it sure seems the times you want to ride the most you can't. Edited May 25, 2005 by Pocket Darts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheefreak Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 If you have an impact, it will spin that nut right off. If not, you need to jam a rag in the gears between the primary drive and the clutch basket gear, then hold the center some how. There is a tool made by motion pro and other companys that holds the two(basket and center hub) from spinning. You may be able to jimmy a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Scottish Tree Badger Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Are you sure that you're not just butting the gear dogs up against each other in some of the gears. ... Without spinning the transmission, there's no way you can run through all the gears without butting dogs at some point. (Which will stop the shiftstar dead). Rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Darts Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 (edited) Thank you sheefreak. Rare I was rocking it back and forth while shifting through the gears b4, and they wouldn't go. Now they are. If you are right i will feel pretty stupid. I think I may have fixed the problem. I hope. While I was trying to spin that nut free inside the clutch basket the engine was spinning inside. Now I can successfully shift through all the gears. I'm going to get some deisel now to flush engine out. If there was something inside there jambing it up, i want to make sure it is out. I also have to go to the hardware store because i stripped a couple of the screws trying to get the clutch cover off. So now I have to put the thing back together again. I hope it works. I'll let you all know. Again thank you for the help. Edited May 25, 2005 by Pocket Darts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammin Full Bore Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Thank you sheefreak. Rare I was rocking it back and forth while shifting through the gears b4, and they wouldn't go. Now they are. If you are right i will feel pretty stupid. I think I may have fixed the problem. I hope. While I was trying to spin that nut free inside the clutch basket the engine was spinning inside. Now I can successfully shift through all the gears. I'm going to get some deisel now to flush engine out. If there was something inside there jambing it up, i want to make sure it is out. I also have to go to the hardware store because i stripped a couple of the screws trying to get the clutch cover off. So now I have to put the thing back together again. I hope it works. I'll let you all know. Again thank you for the help. 373851[/snapback] damn that was quite a lilttle adventure you had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Scottish Tree Badger Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Yeah, it needs a bit more than just back and forth. ... Best to get the back wheels off the ground and spin the axle at the same time as going for the gears. Hopefully you've got it sorted now. Rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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